8 is OK as long as you install Start8 or similar to get the start menu back. Those tiles make no sense on a desktop (or laptop) without a touchscreen. Microsoft were just too pig headed to admit that removing the start menu was a mistake. If they had fully reinstated it in 8.1 they might have swung opinion back in their favour. I don't get the Flash thing either. Its never been in iOS, has been dropped from Android and before 8, Microsoft hinted they were dropping it too. 8 came out and Flash had been integrated into the version of IE that shipped with the OS!