BBC News HD The Film Review Often Doesn't Have an ECRID

MofTot

Member
Often, BBC News HD The Film Review doesn't have an ECRID, which poses several problems in terms of scheduling. Is this a Freesat problem or a CFW issue?

Foxsat-HDR (3 out of 5 missing)

Code:
sqlite3 -header -column /opt/epg/epg.db "select strftime('%d.%m.%Y %H:%M', starttime, 'unixepoch') starttime, eventid, scrid, ecrid, rcrid from epg where serviceid = 8921 and name = 'The Film Review' order by starttime;"
starttime         eventid     SCRID       ECRID       RCRID
----------------  ----------  ----------  ----------  ----------
17.07.2016 22:45  37463       /VA8QMG     /3L8JCJ
22.07.2016 16:45  37640       /U4056S
22.07.2016 20:45  37648       /U4056S
23.07.2016 22:45  39188       /UUGXSQ     /3LNP1E
24.07.2016 22:45  39234       /VA8QMG

To compare, they're all there on Freeview (albeit for BBC News, I don't have BBC News HD in my area):

HDR FOX-T2 (present for all 5)

Code:
sqlite3 -header -column /mnt/hd1/epg.db "select strftime('%d.%m.%Y %H:%M', start, 'unixepoch') start, event_id, series_crid, event_crid, rec_crid from epg where name = 'The Film Review' order by service_id, start;"
start             event_id    series_crid  event_crid  rec_crid
----------------  ----------  -----------  ----------  ----------
17.07.2016 22:45  37463       /NOK79K      /3L8JCJ
22.07.2016 16:45  37640       /MIBLTW      /3LNP1E
22.07.2016 20:45  37648       /MIBLTW      /3LNP1E
23.07.2016 22:45  39188       /N8SEFU      /3LNP1E
24.07.2016 22:45  39234       /NOK79K      /3LNP1E
 
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MofTot

Member
A bit more detail, turns out that ECRID is there on BBC News (non-HD). Service ID = 8921 is BBC News HD, service ID = 10358 is BBC News:

Code:
sqlite3 -header -column /opt/epg/epg.db "select serviceid, strftime('%d.%m.%Y %H:%M', starttime, 'unixepoch') starttime, eventid, scrid, ecrid, rcrid from epg where serviceid in (8921, 10358) and name = 'The Film Review' order by serviceid, starttime;"
serviceid   starttime         eventid     SCRID       ECRID       RCRID
----------  ----------------  ----------  ----------  ----------  ----------
8921        17.07.2016 22:45  37463       /VA8QMG     /3L8JCJ
8921        22.07.2016 16:45  37640       /U4056S
8921        22.07.2016 20:45  37648       /U4056S
8921        23.07.2016 22:45  39188       /UUGXSQ     /3LNP1E
8921        24.07.2016 22:45  39234       /VA8QMG
10358       17.07.2016 22:45  37463       /NOK79K     /3L8JCJ
10358       22.07.2016 16:45  37640       /MIBLTW     /3LNP1E
10358       22.07.2016 20:45  37648       /MIBLTW     /3LNP1E
10358       23.07.2016 22:45  39188       /N8SEFU     /3LNP1E
10358       24.07.2016 22:45  39234       /NOK79K     /3LNP1E

As noted above, I can't compare with Freeview as I don't have BBC News HD on Freeview in my area.
 
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Black Hole

May contain traces of nut
I don't understand how this could be a custom firmware issue. The database is populated by the standard code using data extracted from the broadcast stream, and you are using a stand-alone database browser program to inspect the database contents.

On HDR-FOX we can inspect the CRIDs directly for specific EPG entries by selecting the releveant entry and pressing the i button (with the right setting in the hidden service menu, see Things Every... - click, section 9).
 

raydon

Well-Known Member
Enable CRID Test from hidden service menu to display CRIDs in channel info pane.
Go into System/Diagnostics menu then press Red Green Yellow Blue Green Yellow Blue on your remote to access service menu.
 
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MofTot

Member
I don't understand how this could be a custom firmware issue. The database is populated by the standard code using data extracted from the broadcast stream, and you are using a stand-alone database browser program to inspect the database contents.

Thanks for the feedback. I can confirm that I see the same issue on the box. It's beyond me how the broadcasters can mess up such a simple thing - ensuring that all normal programs have an ECRID. And even stranger that they can figure out how to do it on the SD channel but not the HD channel.

It seems that BBC News HD is particularly bad at this. This is a list of upcoming programs missing an ECRID for the few channels I have in my lineup (I've excluded program names starting with "This Is BBC" and "Teleshopping"):

Code:
usLcn       szSvcName   starttime         name        eventid     SCRID       ECRID
----------  ----------  ----------------  ----------  ----------  ----------  ----------
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   37518       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 07:30  BBC Busine  37519       /URF56B
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 10:00  BBC Newsro  37521
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 12:00  BBC News a  37522       /RYDFWH
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 12:30  BBC News    37523
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    37524
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    37525
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    37526
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  37527       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 17:30  Sportsday   37529       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 17:45  BBC News    37530
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    37531
200         BBCN HD     19.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    37532
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 00:00  Newsday     37543       /SPU4Z4
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 00:30  Asia Busin  37544       /SGCYC0
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 00:45  Sport Toda  37545       /SGCYDB
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 01:00  BBC News    37546
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 02:00  BBC News    37548
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 03:00  BBC News    37550
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 03:30  HARDtalk    37551       /UVT9LS
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 04:00  BBC News    37552
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 04:30  World Busi  37553       /S2QV05
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 04:45  BBC News    37554
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   37555       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 07:30  BBC Busine  37556       /URF56B
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 10:00  BBC Newsro  37558
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 12:00  BBC News a  37559       /RYDFWH
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 12:30  BBC News    37560
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    37561
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    37562
105         C5 HD       20.07.2016 14:15  Newlywed a  3444
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    37563
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  37564       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 17:30  Sportsday   37566       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 17:45  BBC News    37567
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    37568
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    37569
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 19:30  HARDtalk    37570
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 20:00  Outside So  37571       /URF62N
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 20:30  Outside So  37572       /URF62N
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 21:30  Sportsday   37574       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 21:40  The Papers  37575       /SS5PEA
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 22:00  BBC News    37576
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 23:00  Newsday     37578       /URF61N
200         BBCN HD     20.07.2016 23:30  HARDtalk    37579       /RYDFWF
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 00:00  Newsday     37580       /SPU4Z4
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 00:30  Asia Busin  37581       /SGCYC0
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 00:45  Sport Toda  37582       /SGCYDB
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 01:00  BBC News    37583
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 01:30  Wednesday   37584
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 02:00  BBC News    37585
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 03:00  BBC News    37587
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 04:00  BBC News    37589
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 04:30  World Busi  37590       /S2QV05
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 04:45  BBC News    37591
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   37592       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 07:30  BBC Busine  37593       /URF56B
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 10:00  BBC Newsro  37595       /VCFH3Y
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 12:00  BBC News a  37596       /RYDFWH
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 12:30  BBC News    37597
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    37598
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    37599
105         C5 HD       21.07.2016 14:15  A Housekee  3485
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    37600
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  37601       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 17:30  Sportsday   37603       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 17:45  BBC News    37604
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    37605
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 18:45  Meet the A  39115       /UQ4J62
200         BBCN HD     21.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    37607
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 04:00  BBC News    37627
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 04:30  World Busi  37628       /S2QV05
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 04:45  BBC News    37629
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   37630       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 07:30  BBC Busine  37631       /URF56B
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 10:00  BBC Newsro  37633       /VCFH3Y
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 12:00  BBC News a  37634       /RYDFWH
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 12:30  BBC News    37635
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    37636
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    37637
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    37638
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  37639       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 16:45  The Film R  37640       /U4056S
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 17:30  Sportsday   37642       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    37643
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    37644
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 20:00  World News  37646
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 20:30  Newswatch   37647
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 20:45  The Film R  37648       /U4056S
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 21:30  Sportsday   37650       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 21:40  The Papers  37651       /SS5PEA
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 22:00  BBC News    37652
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 22:45  Sportsday   37654       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     22.07.2016 23:00  BBC News    37655
200         BBCN HD     23.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   39156       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     23.07.2016 06:00  Breakfast   39157       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     23.07.2016 07:00  Breakfast   39158       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     23.07.2016 08:00  BBC News    37452
200         BBCN HD     23.07.2016 09:00  BBC News    39160
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   39201       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 06:00  Breakfast   39202       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 07:00  Breakfast   39203       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 08:00  BBC News    39204
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 08:30  The Papers  39205       /UPOFER
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 09:00  BBC News    39206
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 09:30  Favela Ath  41000
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 10:00  BBC News    39208
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 10:30  Dateline L  39209       /URAYEB
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 11:00  BBC News    39210
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 11:30  Click       39211
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 12:00  BBC News    39212
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 12:30  The Travel  39213
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    39214
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 13:30  Hidden Rio  41001
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    39216
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 14:30  Click       39217       /TU4208
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    39218
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 15:30  Favela Ath  41002
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  39220       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 17:00  BBC News    39221
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    39222
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 18:30  Sportsday   39223       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 18:45  Meet the A  41003
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    39225
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 19:30  The Travel  39226       /V0B6VH
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 20:00  World News  39227       /URF696
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 20:30  Our World   39228       /V0B7OZ
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 21:00  BBC News    39229
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 21:30  The Papers  39230       /SS5PFC
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 21:45  Meet the A  41004       /UQ4J62
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 22:00  BBC News    39232
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 22:30  The Papers  39233       /SS5PFC
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 22:45  The Film R  39234       /VA8QMG
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 23:00  Newsday     39235       /URF61N
200         BBCN HD     24.07.2016 23:30  Reporters   39236       /SSJ5IC
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 00:00  Newsday     39237       /SPU4Z4
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 00:30  Asia Busin  39238       /SGCYC0
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 00:45  Sport Toda  39239       /SGCYDB
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 01:00  BBC News    39240
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 01:30  HARDtalk    41005
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 02:00  BBC News    39242
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 02:30  Dateline L  39243       /V3NI8H
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 03:00  BBC News    39244
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 03:30  HARDtalk    39245       /UVT9LS
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 04:00  BBC News    39246
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 04:30  World Busi  39247       /S2QV05
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 04:45  BBC News    39248
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   39249       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 07:30  BBC Busine  39250       /URF56B
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 10:00  BBC Newsro  39252
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 12:00  BBC News a  39253       /RYDFWH
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 12:30  BBC News    39254
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    39255
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    39256
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    39257
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  39258       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 17:30  Sportsday   39260       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 17:45  BBC News    39261
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    39262
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    39263
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 19:30  HARDtalk    39264       /RYDFWF
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 20:00  Outside So  39265       /URF62N
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 20:30  Outside So  39266       /URF62N
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 21:30  Sportsday   39268       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 21:40  The Papers  39269       /SS5PEA
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 22:00  BBC News    39270
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 23:00  Newsday     39272       /URF61N
200         BBCN HD     25.07.2016 23:30  HARDtalk    39273
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 00:00  Newsday     39274       /SPU4Z4
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 00:30  Asia Busin  39275       /SGCYC0
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 00:45  Sport Toda  39276       /SGCYDB
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 01:00  BBC News    39277
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 01:30  HARDtalk    41009       /UVT9LS
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 02:00  BBC News    39279
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 02:30  Reporters   39280
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 03:00  BBC News    39281
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 03:30  HARDtalk    39282       /UVT9LS
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 04:00  BBC News    39283
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 04:30  World Busi  39284       /S2QV05
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 04:45  BBC News    39285
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 05:00  Breakfast   39286       /S4DJBY
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 07:30  BBC Busine  39287       /URF56B
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 10:00  BBC Newsro  39289
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 12:00  BBC News a  39290       /RYDFWH
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 12:30  BBC News    39291
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 13:00  BBC News    39292
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 14:00  BBC News    39293
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 15:00  BBC News    39294
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 16:00  BBC News a  39295       /S4DJ9X
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 17:30  Sportsday   39297       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 17:45  BBC News    39298
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 18:00  BBC News    39299
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 19:00  BBC News    39300
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 19:30  HARDtalk    39301
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 20:00  Outside So  39302
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 20:30  Outside So  39303
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 21:30  Sportsday   39305       /S2QUZ9
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 21:40  The Papers  39306       /SS5PEA
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 22:00  BBC News    39307
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 23:00  Newsday     39309       /URF61N
200         BBCN HD     26.07.2016 23:30  HARDtalk    39310       /RYDFWF

Some of these make sense (eg when channel is off-air) but many others don't. Channel 5 HD have two misses as well.

Are you aware of any proper BBC support channels to go through to make them aware of this?

Without an ECRID you cannot schedule for recording via WebIf EPG.
 
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