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An AI's opinion on Humax PVRs' Real-Time Clocks (RTC) and their power source

Luke

Luke

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After there was a post on AVForums that PVRs RTC used a coin-cell battery to maintain the clock during power down, I used an AI to ask about PVRs in the UK, and eventually asked just about Humax PVRs.
The AI I used is more for technical assistance rather than a replacement for google, although I do find it a cut above the free Google AI for similar 'searches'.

It struggled with the PVR-8000T, which is not surprising.

Initially is stated That PVR-9200T used a coin-cell battery and gave me examples on hummy.tv, MyHumax and YouTube for the PVR-9200T. I pointed out that the examples confirmed the power source was from a capacitor.
I'll next quiz it on the HDR-FOX T2, but please can any tell me how accurate the other details of the models mentioned in the depicted summary are?


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prpr said:
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The other what?
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When I looked I couldn't see the attachment either! I've edited the post by deleting the attachment and reattaching the same image. It appears to be accessible now.
 
Why are you expecting trustworthy results from AI? Any appearance of accuracy is an illusion, and those stupid enough to take AI's word for it without verifying the information for themselves deserve whatever outcome results. Therefore, one might as well do it (ie the research) yourself in the first place.

The problem here is that the LLM has "learned" that RTCs require continuous power, and in the lack of specific information it will apply that to every RTC query. Except PVRs don't need RTCs like PCs have. We know that, but as there are few (if any) Internet resources to tell the AI that, it doesn't know and makes a guess. Unless you have the wit to know it's a guess, you trust it. It's the same as being told to use glue when toppings won't stick to a pizza. AI might know now though!

The AI summary of results at the top of every Google search now discourage people from delving further. and decrease footfall at the actual websites the information may have come from. More revenue to Google, less to the websites which Google relies on for the information. Webmasters become reluctant to provide information if it's just going to get creamed off and not going to promote their own interests, then in the end Google suffers too.

(I became reluctant to put my my more specialised knowledge on the Web even before AI – I will only do it where there is a quid pro quo now. How is anybody supposed to make a living from their knowledge and experience, when everyone in the world can just look it up for free, and there are idiots out there willing to make it available for free? They used to have to by a book, or pay for a consultation... moan moan)

What irks me even more is the computing power (CO2, water) now going into every Google search and not just when somebody calls up ChatGPT.
 
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There certainly isn't any battery or anything else in an HDR-Fox T2. It loses the time as we all know well.
This so-called AI doesn't have any I. It just pulls stuff from wherever and summarises it. There is no guarantee any of it is right. Wrongness is self-perpetuating and just makes the problem worse. It'll probably see post #1 and believe it now - a case of eating your own poo.

I've never seen a coin-cell battery that's rechargeable either. If it was, why would it need replacing?

I believe the 9200 stuff is correct. It's a while since I've seen a 9300 and I can't remember, but it is probably correct too.
 
Black Hole said:
The AI summary of results at the top of every Google search now discourage people from delving further. and decrease footfall at the actual websites the information may have come from. More revenue to Google, less to the websites which Google relies on for the information. Webmasters become reluctant to provide information if it's just going to get creamed off and not going to promote their own interests, then in the end Google suffers too.
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It's like cancer, consuming the thing that's feeding it.

Hey AI, why is AI like cancer? Eat your own poo.
 
The problem is like Pandora's box – the horse has bolted. Every tech firm and their dog now promotes themselves as having AI functionality (even in applications where I can't see that it would add anything, nor even be possible), so if you do the sensible thing and not use AI you lose out. Rush to the bottom, as usual. We're all going to hell in a hand cart.. as usual.
 
According to AI..........

"AI often provides incorrect information due to its reliance on vast amounts of internet data, which can include both accurate and inaccurate content, as well as biases. Additionally, AI systems generate responses based on patterns rather than understanding, leading to "hallucinations" where they confidently present false information as if it were true."

A bit like taking advice from a conspiracy theorist in a tinfoil hat after they had taken LSD.
 
If AI often provides incorrect information then how do we know that answer is true? :frantic:
It's almost as though it's disappearing in a puff of logic. (see #9)

Wherever possible on my devices I turn AI off. Having said that, I've left DuckDuckGo's AI results on - but I usually ignore it and go for the referenced sources.
 
prpr said:
I believe the 9200 stuff is correct. It's a while since I've seen a 9300 and I can't remember, but it is probably correct too.
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It wasn't correct initially for the PVR-9200T.
It supplied 5 links to forums (3 to hummy.tv, 1 to MyHumax and 1 to AVForums) claiming that they supported the presence of a coin-cell battery. When I looked, the first 4 links supported the presence of a super capacitor. The 5th link did not directly support either view but GPT 5.1 (Thinking), appeared to be saying that the issue described was compatible with the 9200T having a coin-cell battery.
Black Hole said:
Why are you expecting trustworthy results from AI?
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I'm not.
If I did that at work I would literally be on the naughty step.
Black Hole said:
Any appearance of accuracy is an illusion, and those stupid enough to take AI's word for it without verifying the information for themselves deserve whatever outcome results. Therefore, one might as well do it (ie the research) yourself in the first place.
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For something like this I wouldn't expect it to be worthwhile to use as a means to an end.

The reason I was looking at what CHATGPT came up with was because of a post on AVForums. The post claimed that PVRs probably do not use flash memory, and that they use a coin-cell battery for any RTC functionality. The post had used Google AI (from a search I presume) to justify their position. I find that Google AI used through a search, can be very biased depending on the search terms used, but when I had a go to see if I could get it to give a summary of the opposing view but on this occasion failed.
(https://www.avforums.com/threads/sony-svr-500hdt-pvr-channel-list-empty.2542330/post-33222986)

Although ChatGPT as a search engine capability is only 12 months I used it just as I was curious whether its more advanced reasoning and easier ability to be guided would quickly come up with a more accurate summary without actually have to tell it exactly what the situation really is.
 
xyz321 said:
Most browsers can be set to do this by do this by default.
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Perhaps that's the push I need to stop using Safari! The problem is if I click a link in (say) and email, it gets opened in Safari by default. I tried the Dolphin browser some time ago, and went back to Safari for that reason.
 
Black Hole said:
The problem is like Pandora's box – the horse has bolted. Every tech firm and their dog now promotes themselves as having AI functionality (even in applications where I can't see that it would add anything, nor even be possible), so if you do the sensible thing and not use AI you lose out. Rush to the bottom, as usual. We're all going to hell in a hand cart.. as usual.
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I'm going on a mandatory AI training course at work next week. We have a goal to improve productivity by 10% through use of AI. But the firmware I write is quite specialised and runs on proprietary custom hardware and RTOS which is not published anywhere. Indeed our code base is probably the only use of it, so there is no way an AI can help me. I have all the code at my fingertips already. I can also look at the Verilog for the digital logic of the hardware if I have to, though I try to avoid that.
 
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