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Quite so. Some people seem to think if they have not got pressure on the go pedal they must press the stop pedal. I don't know if they get taught this or just develop it as a bad habit.
If you are pressing neither pedal you should have the hand brake engaged. If you don't you have no control over the vehicle and if someone runs into it you will go forwards or backwards with no control until you catch up and press a pedal.
Most of my miles are motorway so I hardly touch the brakes (as I almost never travel when it's busy) - I've done 76K and I think I'm still on the original set (can't check the bills at the moment). I don't know whether that's good, but it sounds like it to me.
I've done 90k and I've had the discs and pads changed once all round. Apparently that's very low. I'm also still on the original clutch, which these days is regarded as absurdly low I'm told.
 
If you are pressing neither pedal you should have the hand brake engaged. If you don't you have no control over the vehicle and if someone runs into it you will go forwards or backwards with no control until you catch up and press a pedal.
I think you may have misread that bit - we were talking about while the vehicle is in motion.
 
I think you may have misread that bit - we were talking about while the vehicle is in motion.
Doesn't matter whether the vehicle is in motion or stationary. If you are not pressing either the accelerator or the brake pedal (and the vehicle is not in cruise control) then you are not in control of the vehicle.
 
Doesn't matter whether the vehicle is in motion or stationary. If you are not pressing either the accelerator or the brake pedal (and the vehicle is not in cruise control) then you are not in control of the vehicle.
Still don't get your point - we were talking about modulating the speed of the vehicle by using the throttle alone when safe rather than keep prodding the brake pedal as an awful lot of drivers seem to. Obviously, your foot would be hovering over the the most appropriate pedal for instant response when needed, but to use the maximum natural engine braking to gently slow the vehicle down requires not pressing ANY of the pedals in my experience - at the very minimum it might require a reduced pressure on the go pedal depending on the circumstances?

I can assure you I am in full control of the vehicle and would not be using cruise control anyway!
 
If you are pressing neither pedal you should have the hand brake engaged.
Wherever did you get that from? When the car is in gear, its motion is under control of the engine regardless of whether you are applying any gas. What you are not allowed to do is coast out of gear.

I've done 90k and I've had the discs and pads changed once all round. Apparently that's very low. I'm also still on the original clutch, which these days is regarded as absurdly low I'm told.
My clutch was replaced from new when I had the engine rebuild at 240k miles. That clutch has now done 150k miles.

Sometimes, just for fun really, I will count the number of brake applications of the preceding vehicle for a while - it can get pretty silly - me once, vehicle in front 15 -20 times! Of course this can be caused by a lack of anticipation, traffic lights or a bend etc., but mostly by following too closely!
This is nonsense. It is all but impossible to maintain a constant following distance in a (traditional) automatic without dabbing the brake, so you need to eliminate from your count all the automatics.

I'm sure most don't, but the proper driving technique fr an automatic is to use left foot braking, and (particularly when manoeuvring) use some brake as well as gas to prevent the car running away from you (as has happened in many cases).
 
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If you are pressing neither pedal you should have the hand brake engaged. If you don't you have no control over the vehicle and if someone runs into it you will go forwards or backwards with no control until you catch up and press a pedal.
Either you've missed the point completely, or you're just so seriously misguided it's unbelievable.
How do you slow down just a bit other than taking your foot off the throttle (and letting friction and engine braking do their things to slow you down)?
Pressing it doesn't mean you are in control any more than not pressing it. Are you one of those people who drives up to things at maximum speed and then slams on the brakes?
I actually don't see how you can drive like that at all. Why would you keep pressing the brakes when you don't need to?
Anyway, you're wrong.
 
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Don't give me any standards crap. The standards dictate thou shalt not be able to turn off lane keeping etc etc, and make a requirement for DRLs (bloody idiotic). Standards can be stupid, and they are originated from manufacturers deciding what they want the next big thing to be and then lobbying for it. Europe sucks it all up as "the best thing since sliced bread" for safety, then we don't get a choice regardless whether we're in Europe or out of it.

Yes, single pedal diving is mindless, and therefore moronic. How good are you at keeping your foot with the same amount of pressure on it for long periods of time, so as to prevent unwanted braking? I've presented my case, buyer beware, 'nuff said.

EVs are really bad for people with motion sickness.
 
Wherever did you get that from? When the car is in gear, its motion is under control of the engine regardless of whether you are applying any gas. What you are not allowed to do is coast out of gear.
Either you've missed the point completely, or you're just so seriously misguided it's unbelievable.
I missed the point completely, I hadn't realised this is about when in motion.
 
My clutch was replaced from new when I had the engine rebuild at 240k miles. That clutch has now done 150k miles.
I bought a Renault 5 GT Turbo in 1991 with 9k on it, technically ex demo but actually the garage owner's wife's car. I sold it in 2002 with 110k on it, sale because the body work was rusting almost as I watched it as cars did back then. I gave the new owner paperwork of all the work done that was two inches thick, including replacing the turbo. He asked when the clutch was last changed. He was incredulous that never mind "last changed" it was still on the original clutch and virtually accused me of lying. I pointed out why would I give him 2 inches of paperwork on what had been done to the car and omit a clutch change and he apologised.

I think the issue is a lot of people sit at junctions with their foot on the clutch which you are not supposed to do, it wears out the thrust bearing. If stationary for more than a moment you are supposed to "handbrake, neutral". But the number of people blinding me with their brake lights for minutes on end at junctions shows it doesn't happen.
 
Even worse are the ones that sit at junctions or traffic lights on a hill balancing the car on the clutch - you can hear them revving and see them moving slightly forwards then falling slightly back - I hope I never buy a used car that's been owned by one of them.
 
Even worse are the ones that sit at junctions or traffic lights on a hill balancing the car on the clutch - you can hear them revving and see them moving slightly forwards then falling slightly back - I hope I never buy a used car that's been owned by one of them.
Unfortunately there's no way to tell if the previous owner has been behaving in this frankly dangerous way (the wear is not the biggest issue here I feel).
 
This is nonsense. It is all but impossible to maintain a constant following distance in a (traditional) automatic without dabbing the brake, so you need to eliminate from your count all the automatics.

I'm sure most don't, but the proper driving technique fr an automatic is to use left foot braking, and (particularly when manoeuvring) use some brake as well as gas to prevent the car running away from you (as has happened in many cases).
Possibly, in a traditional torque converter auto (slushbox), it depends how it is designed whether it stays locked in drive mode on overrun or actually freewheels (which I doubt, but not driven one recently, as that would be similar to putting a manual in neutral which is definitely verboten!).

But we weren't talking specifically about traditional autos, it was more general where you can use engine braking - manual gearboxes as well as DCT/DSG transmissions, which are basically an automated manual transmission so when you are in "Drive" mode one or other of the clutches are fully engaged with the gear shaft currently selected and you therefore have full effect of engine braking, exactly the same as you would get in the manual transmission. I can and do regulate a suitable following distance most of the time by using the accelerator in my DCT equipped vehicle and rarely need to use the brake pedal in flowing traffic - not at all impossible I can assure you.

I don't adopt left foot braking, after driving manuals for decades it felt so unnatural I could not get used to it so I only use the right foot for stop/go - the left foot stays comfortably on the footrest, once I had trained it as for a little while it used to sometimes autonomously think it still had to operate the clutch and occasionally managed to connect with the oversized brake pedal - oops, that will teach the chap behind not to tailgate! :laugh:

I believe that most cases of autos "running away" have been attributed to driver error where they have most likely stamped on the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal. Obviously some could be caused by a control system glitch as well.
 
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Even worse are the ones that sit at junctions or traffic lights on a hill balancing the car on the clutch - you can hear them revving and see them moving slightly forwards then falling slightly back - I hope I never buy a used car that's been owned by one of them.
Sometimes you can even smell the clutch burning!

I had a main dealer drop me into town when I left my car for service. Later in the day they sent the mechanic to pick me up actually using my car and whilst he was driving us back to his base I noticed he was doing this and when I asked him to kindly don't use the clutch like that he was plainly completely baffled and asked me what I meant - no clue at all!
 
I believe that most cases of autos "running away" have been attributed to driver error
Like the idiot near me who, many years ago, left an automatic in gear and without the handbrake on at the entrance to his garage. Ploughed straight through the back wall.
 
But the number of people blinding me with their brake lights for minutes on end at junctions shows it doesn't happen.
I was behind a police car on an upward slope at traffic lights, where a hill start would be needed, and the brake lights were on.

However, my experience in a "modern" vehicle (I'm not differentiating between manual, automatic, and EV here because I believe the modern user interface is similar between them all) with automatic parking brakes or electric parking brakes and whatnot, it was such a palarva to go into neutral and apply the brake, and then release the brake to drive off, that I really am not surprised people don't do it.

Another factor is that the automatic parking brake (certainly on some makes – I can't remember which) leaves the brake lights on. That seems ridiculous to me. Therefore we cannot make assumptions (except to derogate automatic parking brakes). Electric handbrakes are another pain in the arse. Anti-rollback is OK, but IMO is another thing reducing the skills required (and what happens if one day that driver finds themselves in a car that doesn't have it?).

traditional torque converter
Yes. Not so much in a computerised manual.

I believe that most cases of autos "running away" have been attributed to driver error where they have most likely stamped on the gas pedal instead of the brake pedal.
Indeed, and this confusion won't happen if the driver is trained to use right foot for gas and left foot for brake. However, as a "manual" driver only very occasionally using an auto, the first stop at a junction is alarming when I end up with both feet on the (extra wide) brake pedal!
once I had trained it as for a little while it used to sometimes autonomously think it still had to operate the clutch and occasionally managed to connect with the oversized brake pedal - oops, that will teach the chap behind not to tailgate! :laugh:
Using brake and gas at the same time is a rally technique, it would be handy to have in the toolbox but so rarely used I don't have an opportunity to develop it. A longer period with an auto and I would.
 
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However, my experience in a "modern" vehicle (I'm not differentiating between manual, automatic, and EV here because I believe the modern user interface is similar between them all) with automatic parking brakes or electric parking brakes and whatnot, it was such a palarva to go into neutral and apply the brake, and then release the brake to drive off, that I really am not surprised people don't do it.

Another factor is that the automatic parking brake (certainly on some makes – I can't remember which) leaves the brake lights on. That seems ridiculous to me.
Ah yes, electric handbrakes and automatic parking brakes. On the odd occasion I've driven a loan car from the garage with those fitted I detest them. Almost as much as I detest giant over sized comedy brake pedals on automatics. I don't get the need for any of this.
 
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