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Green screen known as HDMI handshake for me finally cured

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Initially using a HDMI cable, I had this problem from new. A work around was to use a scart lead. Then a couple of years later HDMI splitters became available so I could revert back to using HDMI cables. A couple of days ago I started to research the green screen problem again to see if anyone had cured the problem so that the splitter could be taken out of service and I could go back to using a single HDMI Cable. I came across articles
about the problem which occurs on a wide variety of equipment that uses HDMI. The cure for some was to put a sliver of insulation tape over the 19th pin of one of the HDMI cable plugs. Looking at the plug with flat side up the 19th pin is the top right hand pin. I tried it, at first it was hit and miss, a 1/16 inch sliver finally worked, but because it was only tape it was easily moved out of position. Over the years I have built up a collection of HDMI cables. I decided to sacrifice one and took it to bits to see what coloured wires were connected to what pins. But it turns out there is no standard. I went back to the tape method and got it to work for Screenshot_20241127-172118_Gallery.jpgScreenshot_20241127-172149_Gallery.jpgScreenshot_20241127-172158_Gallery.jpg20241127_172254.jpgScreenshot_20241127-172217_Gallery.jpgsay 3 out of 10 attempts, poor by any standard. Finally I decided to destroy the 19th pin. I did this on both plugs of a good single cable. I did this by inserting a small flat screwdriver and pushing the small pin up into the plastic of the plug. In so doing the female socket that the plug fits into cannot make contact with the 19th pin. I tried the cable and it worked no more green screen, and you can now alter the resolution by pressing the V-FORMAT button on the remote control. Obviously I have marked this cable so it will only be used with my Humax. You do this at your own risk. PS -------- SSHD's are getting cheaper, for me smaller, quicker and cooler. Bench testing one in another Freeview Fox T2 and a Freesat Foxsat HDR seems to be working OK. Bye. Update turned the machine off and on a few times, all was fine no green screen. Left it turned off for a couple of hours then went back to it. Switched it on, got the boot up screen which it cycled through, then the screen went black. Got the picture back by pressing the V-Format button on the remote control, cycled through it to get to 1080p. Attached two more images. Non invasive method using tape. Invasive method by pressing the 19th pin up into the body of the plug. I will leave all the pins print within the unit alone.
 

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So this is the Hot Plug Detect line, the last-to-make pin at the bottom-left if pointing the plug away from you with the narrow side uppermost. Apparently as the cable is connected, the sink (display) reflects the 5V signal from pin 18 back to the source (PVR, in this case), telling it that a connection has been made. This may then trigger some format negotiation. Possibly Humax's HDCP implementation is actually s/w-controlled, such that the decision to switch to green screen is only made when the s/w receives an active HPD signal from the display.

I'm sure this suggestion will generate some follow-up test reports.
 
Indeed, and the pin-out in the page that I linked. The sink might have a small resistor or similar internally between pins 18 (5V from source) and 19 so that the final connection sets the source's pin 19 high.

What wasn't clear from this in OP was this
... you can now alter the resolution by pressing the V-FORMAT button ...

If the Humax is not being sent HPD, does it perform the EDID negotiation that would, I presume, limit the available resolutions in that case to those offered by the display/TV? Or does it always offer all its own supported resolutions? Or is the latter almost always a subset of what a modern display would offer so that you can't tell?
 
I take slight issue with that: for "you" read "I". The OP cannot anticipate what results others might have, and should only present his own experience.
 
Will this work if you get a green screen when the T2 is recording something? Pull the hdmi out/ do the tape thing/ reinsert hdmi. hopefully green screen gone?
Excellent find even if I don't seem to get the GS anymore.
 
In principle, yes, because the recording data path is separate from the HDMI display data path. The analogue display data path is separate too, which is why you can still see the SCART output even when HDMI is showing GS.
 
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