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How can I transfer files from defunct HDR FOX T2 to view on HDR 2000T?

jalba said:
a search on AI said
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Who cares what it said. Why are you searching for things you've already been told about, repeatedly? Are you stupid?
I don't yet know if that is the case...I connected the USB caddy to an Android box, and VLC could see the files but not open them.
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So you did try it and you do know they're all encrypted. Yep, you are stupid.
I might try copying a file from the USB caddy to a folder in the Chromebook, then across to my mini Windows PC. I read somewhere that simply the act of copying over a file decrypts it.
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You think copying a file like this magically changes it? Very stupid indeed.
I am maybe barking at the moon here!
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No, just completely barking.
Did you find stripts easy to set up on the PC?
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Set up. What is there to set up? You just have to read about how to run it, but I'm sure it's beyond you.
 
Well I've suspected the guy's a troll for a while now. Let's see.

Yep, you definitely belong over on myhumax.org so I suggest you go there, while you still can.
 
A thumbs up from Brian (Administrator) to prpr's unnecessary invective convinces me I won't be continuing on this forum.
Thanks to those who were patient and offered help.
 
I am partial to a bit of melon, but that's an E not an F. I'll give you the L for free. No need for thanks.

Are we simply having a wonderful Christmas time or is this the antidote to it all? (That's for @RobH1)
 
jalba said:
A thumbs up from Brian (Administrator) to prpr's unnecessary invective convinces me I won't be continuing on this forum.
Thanks to those who were patient and offered help.
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Unfortunately it has always been like this on this forum. It's part of the reason for my only intermittent use of it over the years.
 
jalba said:
a search on AI said that Humax did not introduce encryption until 2014
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An hallucination. Complete and utter garbage on the part of AI, which is why you shouldn't just accept answers without corroboration. My summary AI results at least pass a sniff test.

Another problem is that by posting "Humax did not introduce encryption until 2014", AI will read that and entrench the error. Oops, I've done it again! But we know, so we don't really care, and (given our history with Humax in general and HDR-FOXes in particular) you should trust us not some random AI.

Not trusting us is what got you ridiculed.
 
If networking is an issue you should carefully checked your Chromebook as 2 USB ports minimum has been the Chromebook spec for a long time. Perhaps it's 1xUSB-C and 1xUSB-A, in which case you just need an adaptor to fit both the USB caddy and USB memmory stick and copy from 1 to the other. (or a USB hub)

Either way running stripts under windows is simple, just download 2 files and enter the commands from the wiki
 
Since this thread is fairly recent, and related to my current situation, I have some thoughts.
1. Is there any mileage in building a Linux boot environment that includes stripts that can be downloaded to bootable USB or posted out on CD - that any PC user can attach and follow standard guide to create playable files from Humax recordings?
2. In the WebIf Advanced/encryption key setting that allows setting a different key including one from another FoxT2, is there any key that saves unencrypted recordings, ie. that play via file access (not media share) without an intermediate decryption step?

My current stage is that we ran two CF FoxT2s for several years, no HDD upgrades. We also have two BT boxes, one in the Fox style case (cost me £20 complete) and one on the BT/EE ISP/TV sub (which is a warranty replacement!), and a Panasonic FreeviewHD twin tuner which cost me £3 + a replacement handset! (Charity shop purchases).
Late 2024, one FoxT2 suffered HDD power issue, we flunked the capacitor replacement (no display after), so swiftly bought another used Fox and set it up, the old one retained.
Mid 2025 the other old one started quickly increasing HDD errors and is currently mothballed. I plan to transfer the BT Humax' HDD to it and resurrect it, while using the PC to read the original HDD. Oh and fit a HDD into the BT box just to retain the timeslip feature. I always tried to keep on top of decrypting and shrinking recordings as they're made, manually, or by moving them into a folder which has folder-level shrink&decrypting set.
 
nvingo said:
2. In the WebIf Advanced/encryption key setting that allows setting a different key including one from another FoxT2, is there any key that saves unencrypted recordings, ie. that play via file access (not media share) without an intermediate decryption step?
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No, recordings are always encrypted when made. But you can in the web UI configure to auto decrypt the entire hard disc which is what I have set up. So they are made encrypted and then decrypted in background while the HDR Fox T2 is doing other things. I believe this is on the Opt+ menu in the web UI, set it on the entire Video directory.
 
I have read this entire thread for entertainment value with customary rudeness from the usual people and advice from some with no relevant experience. I send condolences to jalba for putting up with it for so long!
 
Dave W said:
I have read this entire thread for entertainment value with customary rudeness from the usual people and advice from some with no relevant experience. I send condolences to jalba for putting up with it for so long!
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It's worth the entrance fee! :laugh: I think though, commiserations rather than condolences.
 
nvingo said:
is there any key that saves unencrypted recordings
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There is no null key, due to the nature of the 3DES algorithm (which is a slightly different answer than the above).

nvingo said:
Is there any mileage in building a Linux boot environment that includes stripts that can be downloaded to bootable USB or posted out on CD - that any PC user can attach and follow standard guide to create playable files from Humax recordings
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There would be, if the resistance to trying a bootable Linux were not so difficult to overcome. I mean, it would be a handy tool, it would save a couple of steps if stripts were on the command path, but you can't make 'em drink if they're too scared to dip a toe in the water.

There is a certain population reluctant to give anything a go because of the risk of messing up, but without messing up and getting out of it again there is no learning.
 
Owen Smith said:
No, recordings are always encrypted when made.
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Black Hole said:
There is no null key, due to the nature of the 3DES algorithm
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I had naively hoped it would be a bit wise XOR operation, should have anticipated it wouldn't be that simple.
Black Hole said:
I mean, it would be a handy tool, it would save a couple of steps if stripts were on the command path,
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An alternative would be a HDD image file that can be run on a guest virtual machine, though again that is beyond the abilities of non-technical folk (but if they can open a PVR and remove the HDD?)
Owen Smith said:
But you can in the web UI configure to auto decrypt the entire hard disc which is what I have set up. So they are made encrypted and then decrypted in background while the HDR Fox T2 is doing other things
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I chose not to do that - my other users are supposed to use the BT recorders for watch/wipe programmes and the FoxT2 only for longer term recordings but it doesn't always pan that way, leaving the temporary ones encrypted is my nod to a slight reduction in the FoxT2's workload. All series folders are set, and single events are cut/paste to a folder that's also set where I subsequently point the PC file browser to.
 
nvingo said:
An alternative would be a HDD image file that can be run on a guest virtual machine, though again that is beyond the abilities of non-technical folk (but if they can open a PVR and remove the HDD?)
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What we (well, Linux-phobes) need is a Christmas present in the form of this (which has been pending since last December):
prpr said:
FWIW, I've done an up-to-date native Visual Studio build of stripts, which means no other dependencies needed. Just need to find the time to get round to testing it properly.
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In summary, Linux non-users can:
  1. Use the stripts build for Windows, which requires Cygwin installed;
  2. Use the HFODU utility, which requires the Java runtime environment;
  3. Wait for @prpr to release the VS build.
It does not seem to me that we need worry about any further alternatives.
 
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