Humax FHR-6000T Will this need its own listing in the forum? ( Now named the Aura EZ 4K Freely Recorder)

[Owen Smith]

That is not how it works.

When the sender and receiver are turned on, or a "hot plug" is detected, a HDCP negotiation is triggered which involves exchanging a cryptographic signature. Only receivers (HDMI sinks) verified as display-only are issued with signature credentials. Senders are required to implement the handshake, and as HDMI is implemented in specialist chips the handshake is built in.

If the handshake fails, or doesn't happen, the sender is not permitted to output HiDef. That's when we get the "green screen".

I've never had reason to go into the details, but was aware there is a handshake. This is effectively what I meant, I may not have expressed it well.

 

[peterh337]

Sure, but that simply means you need a legit receiving device which does the handshake.

It could be the cheapest possible TV, and if you really do not want to see the stuff you can remove the display

Then tap into the HDMI data...

Do a google. There are numerous devices which "split off" the data.

So I am 100% confident there will be Freely recorders, albeit unofficial ones.

 

[Owen Smith]

Sure, but that simply means you need a legit receiving device which does the handshake.

It could be the cheapest possible TV, and if you really do not want to see the stuff you can remove the display

Then tap into the HDMI data...

Do a google. There are numerous devices which "split off" the data.

So I am 100% confident there will be Freely recorders, albeit unofficial ones.

No-one here is disputing this, there are loads of devices for sale on ebay that will make HDMI data recordable. Why are you going on about this so much? Yes Freely encryption is insecure due to HDMI, everyone knows it including I suspect the designers and nobody cares.

 

[trog]

Sure, but that simply means you need a legit receiving device which does the handshake.

It could be the cheapest possible TV, and if you really do not want to see the stuff you can remove the display

Then tap into the HDMI data...

Do a google. There are numerous devices which "split off" the data.

So I am 100% confident there will be Freely recorders, albeit unofficial ones.

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[Black Hole]

Do a google. There are numerous devices which "split off" the data.

I would call that tapping rather than splitting. Of course there are, but these are specifically for pirating and not available on the legitimate market, just the same as repeaters for car keyless entry and ignition handshakes have no legitimate purpose but are nonetheless available.

Owen made a good point: if you grab the HDMI data, you're adding another encode/decode and degrading the signal – by how much depends on what quality of encode you are able to achieve in real time.

 

[EEPhil]

but these are specifically for pirating

There are legitimate purposes. In the unlikely event your TV doesn't have HDMI but has RCA or even SCART but your PVR device only has HDMI what are you supposed to do? Replace a perfect functioning TV?

 

[Owen Smith]

There are legitimate purposes. In the unlikely event your TV doesn't have HDMI but has RCA or even SCART but your PVR device only has HDMI what are you supposed to do? Replace a perfect functioning TV?

Splitting the signal to a TV and a projector is another legitimate use, often in a home cinema where the TV is for getting discs ready to go and configuration in the room with all the gear in it then you come out and watch the film on the projector.

 

[Black Hole]

Splitting the signal to a TV and a projector is another legitimate use, often in a home cinema where the TV is for getting discs ready to go and configuration in the room with all the gear in it then you come out and watch the film on the projector.

I do that. My splitter renegotiates when the connections are changed. That's the legitimate mode of operation.

There are legitimate purposes. In the unlikely event your TV doesn't have HDMI but has RCA or even SCART but your PVR device only has HDMI what are you supposed to do? Replace a perfect functioning TV?

A stripper, rather than a tapper, might help in that situation, but the source should only refuse to send HiDef not StDef. Not that that's what Humax do.

 

[EEPhil]

A stripper, rather than a tapper, might help in that situation, but the source should only refuse to send HiDef not StDef. Not that that's what Humax do.

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Striptease or tapdancing

You have me wondering about a message I get from the Aura. I have only one HDMI port on the TV and the Aura and a 5000T connected to an HDMI switch. The message is something to the effect - can't use this connection because of some DCHP problem. Then it displays a picture. Fortunate because there are no other outputs available!
Are you suggesting that whatever the source the picture should be StdDef? (HiDef downgraded?) And/or Humaxes ignore the warning and display properly regardless.

 

[Black Hole]

And/or Humaxes ignore the warning and display properly regardless.

HDR-FOX doesn't send anything (green screen) if HDCP fails. It ought to permit StDef regardless of HDCP, but AFAIK it doesn't. I can't vouch for other units.

 

[EEPhil]

HDR-FOX doesn't send anything (green screen) if HDCP fails. It ought to permit StDef regardless of HDCP, but AFAIK it doesn't. I can't vouch for other units.

Might explain why I can't tell the difference between HiDef and StdDef from the Aura, not that I use HiDef very often. On my other TV (not connected to Humaxes) I can see a difference.

 

[Stuhod1]

Decided to return mine today. Along with the issues already discussed now getting some freely channels that just won't display I just get a black screen. Richer Sounds were excellent at dealing with the return, no quibble and courier booked for tomorrow. When a decent usable box gets launched I'll be back in the game. For now I'll just use freeview on my TV.

 

[StvJam]

After about 10 days since I got this EZ I’m still impressed by its reliability regarding recording programmes on Freeview compared with the orig Aura. I’ve recorded about 100 programmes (some were series) and had only one failure, and that was when I was fiddling around with the settings and seemed to confuse the box causing what looked like a memory/cpu overload or conflict.
So that is a definite improvement over the old Aura which used to fail frequently to record random programmes for no apparent reasons. The internet has not been disconnecting at all either which happened to me every few days on the original Aura.

However, I really hate the human interface of this Freeview recorder as the guide is searchable but only just. The old Aura was much more user friendly, it feels that the Freeview part of this (the part that I want) was just added on to a Freely box with little in the way of human ease of use or integration.

I was hoping for an update by now. I updated the Freeview channels using Smart Search, so my recording schedule remained intact, but when I try to update the software I get the message “OTA package download failed” even though I have checked it is connected to the internet.
So my conclusion is from the Freeview point of view recording is more reliable but that’s it. Somebody said upthread that my old Aura might have been a bad one, but I have read elsewhere that people had similar random problems like mine.

If your old Aura reliably recorded programmes then I’d say it is a much better box than this EZ unless you want Freely, but then you’re probably better off buying one of the cheaper alternatives.

 

[trog]

After about 10 days since I got this EZ I’m still impressed by its reliability regarding recording programmes on Freeview compared with the orig Aura. I’ve recorded about 100 programmes (some were series) and had only one failure, and that was when I was fiddling around with the settings and seemed to confuse the box causing what looked like a memory/cpu overload or conflict.
So that is a definite improvement over the old Aura which used to fail frequently to record random programmes for no apparent reasons. The internet has not been disconnecting at all either which happened to me every few days on the original Aura.

However, I really hate the human interface of this Freeview recorder as the guide is searchable but only just. The old Aura was much more user friendly, it feels that the Freeview part of this (the part that I want) was just added on to a Freely box with little in the way of human ease of use or integration.

I was hoping for an update by now. I updated the Freeview channels using Smart Search, so my recording schedule remained intact, but when I try to update the software I get the message “OTA package download failed” even though I have checked it is connected to the internet.
So my conclusion is from the Freeview point of view recording is more reliable but that’s it. Somebody said upthread that my old Aura might have been a bad one, but I have read elsewhere that people had similar random problems like mine.

If your old Aura reliably recorded programmes that I’d say it is a much better box than this EZ unless you want Freely, but then you’re probably better off buying one of the cheaper alternatives.

It must be about 10 days maybe a bit longer since I had a failed recording on my Aura, I am sure I will have more but they are very random with no obvious pattern and I have never had your disconnecting from the internet issue and I bought my Aura very soon after it was released years ago.
“OTA package download failed” OTA usually is referring to updates via an aerial so that is odd as mentioned recently in another thread that was stopped for software updates years ago.

 

[StvJam]

I wondered what that stood for. Now it makes sense and just adds more evidence that they rushed this out without someone checking it and ironing out faults. Hopefully when there eventually is an update it will be quite comprehensive.

 

[trog]

I wondered what that stood for. Now it makes sense and just adds more evidence that they rushed this out without someone checking it and ironing out faults. Hopefully when there eventually is an update it will be quite comprehensive.

Or if the fabled Aura update ever happens you may be convinced to be tempted back Yes OTA= over the air.

 

[StvJam]

Or if the fabled Aura update ever happens you may be convinced to be tempted back Yes OTA= over the air.

I’ve still got my old Aura but I could rarely record a whole series without one episode AWOL (very frustrating!) and now the 2TB hard drive is 95% full. That’s why the release of the EZ was quite timely for me, I record many many programmes I’m interested in but hardly ever get around to watching them .

 

[Black Hole]

now the 2TB hard drive is 95% full

Ouch!

I record many many programmes I’m interested in but hardly ever get around to watching them .

The very definition of a hoarder, for whom no HDD will ever be large enough. If you'll never have time to watch it before it goes out of date, don't record it (or at least, clean it out every week). The HDR-FOX has an optional function where unless you lock a recording, the oldest get deleted to make way for new recordings.

 

[StvJam]

Ouch!


The very definition of a hoarder, for whom no HDD will ever be large enough. If you'll never have time to watch it before it goes out of date, don't record it (or at least, clean it out every week). The HDR-FOX has an optional function where unless you lock a recording, the oldest get deleted to make way for new recordings.

I think I disabled that !

 

[EEPhil]

I think I disabled that !

I always disable that! But I am a control freak and dislike any computer based system doing things I don't want. Automatic deletion is a definite no-no!