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ITV1 Failed Recordings

I’ve just seen the same thing on two boxes at my parents. My mums was supposed be recording Gardeners World and Corry. It was half awake but not recording as I could see on web interface. I rang to tell her, she went to boot the box from the remote and I saw both recordings start.
My dads did the same an hour later with the Corry repeat and Scenic Counties. This time when I turned the box fully on from the web interface it started to record. But only Scenic Counties and only 24mb worth.
AR is active as it has been forever for them with little problem.
Will get my Dad to factory reset them as a first step.
 
Some general comments:

If the 'fox is in standby prior to recording, for AR it needs to transition to half-awake about 15 minutes before the scheduled start time so that it can monitor the now/next (AKA start flag). Problems can occur if it goes to half-awake and is looking at a mux from a different region than the target recording, the now/next might not match the pattern it is looking for.

If it does not transition to half-awake in time to start looking, it could be that the alarm clock isn't working (located in the front panel assembly). The "alarm clock" is a timer programmed during the shut-down housekeeping. I can well imagine that if the 'fox is failing to enter standby correctly (delinquent half-awake), the timer is not being programmed. My 'foxes are on all the time, so I don't get this risk. However, I have observed occasions when the unit does not switch to the desired service, but starts recording if I switch to the service manually (because it then sees the appropriate program "now" code).

It is possible to mix auto-padding and AR recordings using the CF multimode package, which I use to ensure only reliable services use AR and the rest are padded.
 
Black Hole said:
for AR it needs to transition to half-awake about 15 minutes before the scheduled start time
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In general, the box wakes up 3 minutes before whatever the event is, so a scheduled wakeup for say 08:00 would happen at 07:57. For an AR event notionally at 14:00, it would wakeup at 13:42.
Black Hole said:
so that it can monitor the now/next (AKA start flag). Problems can occur if it goes to half-awake and is looking at a mux from a different region than the target recording, the now/next might not match the pattern it is looking for.
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The really stupid thing is that the EPG info. for your region and all the surrounding ones is actually transmitted and therefore received by the unit. I don't know the reason but surmise it was to cope with out-of-area muxes. But the T2 completely fails to do anything with this data.
e.g. from Mendip's transmissions I receive data for the West region, and also the South West, South (Southampton), South (Oxford), West Midlands and Wales. The same principle applies to my other unit in Waltham-land and will therefore apply everywhere. I did not know this until I wrote my logger.
Here is a sample of BBC ONE (but the same applies to all regionalised services):
Code: 
10/25 08:59:48 Event  4161:31342 4E:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 08:59:49 Event  4162:31340 4F:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 08:59:50 Event 17537:05399 4F:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b/3RHME"
10/25 08:59:50 Event  4165:31384 4F:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 08:59:50 Event  4163:31341 4F:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 08:59:50 Event  4171:31353 4F:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 08:59:50 Event  4222:00415 4F:16 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"

10/25 09:00:03 Event 17542:05445 4F:12 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b/3RHME"
10/25 09:00:05 Event  4165:31384 4F:13 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 09:00:05 Event  4166:31351 4F:14 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 09:00:05 Event  4170:31417 4F:14 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 09:00:05 Event  4173:31401 4F:13 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
10/25 09:00:05 Event  4175:31435 4F:11 started 09:00:00 01:30:00 "Saturday Kitchen Live" "/m/1FE3L" "/b-3RHME"
The first unit is tuned to PSB1, the second (currently) to PSB2 (usually PSB3). Notice the lag on the latter - I guess the "ITV" mux. operator significantly prioritises their own services' data though, and possibly the BBC do the same.
PSB3 is more or less the same as PSB1. I haven't checked the COMs.
Black Hole said:
If it does not transition to half-awake in time to start looking, it could be that the alarm clock isn't working (located in the front panel assembly). The "alarm clock" is a timer programmed during the shut-down housekeeping. I can well imagine that if the 'fox is failing to enter standby correctly (delinquent half-awake)
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I suggested that up-thread.
 
I am getting failed recordings on together tv channel 83. Zero length & it says the programme appears not to have been broadcast. This happens on 4 hdr fox t2s with 2 different aerials. It seems ok sometimes when i ask it to record something thats happening soon. I see that i have to select another channel then come back to get rid of the message that says programmes start at 6pm or something like that. Oh i just saw that broadcasts stop after midnight & the humax wont manage to get it from the internet. Thats just plain silly.
 
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This is what happens on hybrid and internet only channels. As far as I know no PVR can record from the internet. The silly part is the EPG showing items that cannot be recorded. Hybrid channels are a pain!
 
Chris humax said:
Oh i just saw that broadcasts stop after midnight & the humax wont manage to get it from the internet. Thats just plain silly.
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What's silly is that the EPG can't be made to hide items which are not broadcast on Freeview. Our HDR-FOXes are not capable of recording nor even fetching IPTV content, so should not show these items in the EPG.

As EEPhil said, consumer devices won't record IPTV, that's where catch-up services come in (phone/tablet apps for catch-up allow for "download" rather than "record", for off-line viewing, but the downloads are typically stored securely and only available to play through the app, with some kind of expiry date).
 
Black Hole said:
but the downloads are typically stored securely and only available to play through the app, with some kind of expiry date)...
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...unless you can find some other way to download them (yt-dlp being one that works for some, a web-search helps in locating other methods).
 
Chris humax said:
Oh i just saw that broadcasts stop after midnight & the humax wont manage to get it from the internet. Thats just plain silly.
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Which? The former or the latter?
How would a 15 year old box "manage to get it from the internet"? That's just a silly expectation. Even now there is no standard.
 
Black Hole said:
What's silly is that the EPG can't be made to hide items which are not broadcast on Freeview.
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I guess there is no standard that says how this is supposed to work, so nobody could implement it. It certainly wasn't a thing when the T2 was designed.
 
The EPG spec was not well designed in the first place!
Things like a standard way of indicating New vs Repeat, Episode and Series number could and should have been included!
As for the pigs ear way of handling split programmes.
It is not surprising that they never gave too much thought to the internet actually having the ability to replace broadcast TV, mere pipedreams
 
We should at least be able to tell whether an EPG entry is actually delivered by IPTV, if not choose whether to display them at all.
 
Black Hole said:
We should at least be able to tell whether an EPG entry is actually delivered by IPTV, if not choose whether to display them at all.
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Ideally yes, but realistically it aint going to happen without a good business case
To change the broadcast epg format to include additional information would require agreement between all of the parties and cost money to implement
 
Assuming that your HD-FOX hasn't suddenly become faulty, I'd guess that ITV (or D3&4) has introduced some rubbish into the data stream. They have a history of adding something to various ITV (and sometimes C4 channels) that blanks channels on the Aura. Fortunately no crashes.
 
Yes, change channel and the reboots stop. We have another thread about this, but I mention it here because it was happening on ITV1.
 
Anyone still getting weirdness here.
My mums can’t record ITV1, ITV1+1 or ITV1HD. Boots in advance, but as the program starts it doesn’t record and the listing disappears off the schedule. No green progress bar.
The Really tv channel had two Yorkshire Auction House programmed. First worked, second only recorded half then stopped.
All her BBC programs have worked.

Dad’s had success on Channel 4 but BBC only records 2 - 3 minutes then stops.
ITV1 does like my mums.

So far got my dad to factory reset my mums. No difference.
Not sure what to do. Factory reset each T2 a couple of times? Use the EPG option on the maintenance menu?

Any help welcome.
 
The now/next data seems to be still wrong on the D3&4 mux, i.e. ITV1, C4, 5 etc, which is what is screwing up any AR recordings. I have been recording with padding since Friday. The synopsis, schedule times etc are still wrong (see below) but the recording's content is OK.

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Edit: Comments above were based on my Sony TV's view but one of my Fox T2s seems to be showing the correct info now. Will attempt some AR recordings in a a day or so and report back.
 
If I leave the Humax on BBC1 for a while the EPG gets fully populated, i.e through to next Wednesday. Switch to ITV1 and chunks of it go missing. So I guess there's still something amiss on the D3&4 mux's data stream.

Edit: HD MUX seems to be OK as are the other 3 muxes.
 
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