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ITV4,Film4 etc (ARQB) up the creek!

Discussion in 'HDR-FOX T2 Freeview Recorder' started by bellodiablo, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. bellodiablo

    bellodiablo New Member

    Hello All,

    After much brushing up using this forum i still can't resolve this problem so thought i'd post. I just can't see a solution so if anyone can shed any light on this i'll be AMAZED!

    The problem is this:

    After watching itv4 and film4 fine for years on my HDR Fox T2 the Tour de France coverage begins which ive really been looking forward to and it's suddenly just a bunch of mutilated pixels. Typical.

    I've discovered that these channels are served by ARQ B.

    The digitaluk.co.uk website suggests that where i live (so22) the Hannington transmitter should be my nearest station (north of me). It must be a new one, because we've always been served by Rowridge on the Isle of Wight (south of me).

    ARQ B is currently set to channel28 at Rowridge and i'm getting nothing but a horrible messy picture. So i go to manual tune to channel47 (the Hannington transmitter) but the humax detects no channels. I'm assuming this is because my aerial points south and hannigton is north of here.

    HOWEVER, my Sony Bravia tv in the other room tunes to ITV4 just fine, and upon checking i discover its just tuned to channel28 in Rowridge like normal!

    So what's going on? Why does the Bravia like channel28 and the Humax hate it? They share the same aerial. I'd adjust the aerial direction but its communal. I love my hummy but its gone mad!

    Thank you all in advance if you can get to the bottom of this..
  2. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felinos Monk

    Bite the bullet and do a manual retune on just that mux. Retunes have been known to solve the problem. Back up your recording schedule first just to be safe (not sure whether a retune of one broadcast channel kills it or not), if you are running the custom firmware it will have been automatically backed up within the last day.
  3. bellodiablo

    bellodiablo New Member

    That's part of the problem though: Manual tuning channel28 gets me what i already have - horrible reception, and tuning to channel47 which is allegedly the best one returns no channels at all.

    One thing it could be: There's a transmitter called Rowridge and another called Rowridge VP. They both output ARQ B on channel 28. Maybe the Bravia is tuned to the VP version hence its decent signal? If so, how do i get the humax to also receive Rowridge VP specifically when they both transmit on the same channel? This is a nightmare!
  4. Brian

    Brian Administrator Staff Member

    Rowridge VP is Vertical Polarity as opposed to the normal Horizontal Polarity.
  5. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Please would you double check that you are tuned to channel 28 by the following method:

    First switch to Film 4 (channel no. 15) or ITV4 (channel no. 24).
    Then using your remote navigate the signal detection menu
    MENU > Settings > System > Signal Detection.

    What channel number does the signal detection screen show? Is it 28 for Rowridge or something else?

    One more questions. When on the signal detection screen press the right arrow button on the silver circle to the right of the OK button. What are the channel numbers that it displays?
  6. bellodiablo

    bellodiablo New Member

    Hi Luke, Yes the signal detection screen does indeed show Ch28. Strength is at 10%. Quality fluctuates wildly from 90% all the way down to 10% in which case the picture just cuts out.

    Hmmm. Thanks for taking the time to have a think about it anyway.
  7. sooty83

    sooty83 Member

    If you can persuade the ower of the communal aerial to turn the aerial 90 degrees to pick up the Rowridge VP transmission, everyone should get better reception as 1) Rowridge VP transmits all muxes at full power (200kW) whereas ARQ B in the horizontal polarisation is only at quarter power (50kW); 2) an aerial orientated to pick up the VP transmission will give better rejection against signals from other transmitters when we get high pressure over the UK. Your fluctuating quality in the signal check could be caused by interference. Also, if the problem has only happened in the last few days, it could be caused the scheduled engineering work which started on the 26/6.
  8. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    They may change the same aerial but some of the leads from the aerial to the Bravia/Humax are different.

    Can you take the Humax to the same room as the Bravia and take the aerial lead out of the Bravia and plug it into the Humax instead? You'll of couse have to do something with the scart leads so that you can view the Humax picture or lack of.
  9. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felinos Monk

    I wonder if there are actually two aerials, one horizontal and the other vertical?
  10. Ezra Pound

    Ezra Pound Well-Known Member

    The transmitter will have both horizontally and Vertically polarised antennae, so the answer is yes
  11. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felinos Monk

    ...at the receiving end!
  12. 4ndy

    4ndy Member

    Is schedule backup just in the custom firmware? Does copy DB to USB in the hidden menu http://wiki.hummy.tv/wiki/Hidden_Service_Menu_-_HDR-FOX_t2 do this? I can see that it copies 3 files to the usb: channel,db, setup.db and rsv.db. I can also see that restoring channel.db after a restore might be counter productive.
  13. af123

    af123 Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, it's just in the custom firmware. You can backup the raw databases through the hidden service menu but when you restore them you're back to where you were before the retune - i.e. the channel list will have reverted too.
  14. 4ndy

    4ndy Member

    Thanks for the really quick response Whaif I delete the channel.db and then restore (just the other two)?
  15. af123

    af123 Administrator Staff Member

    Then the channel service IDs that are used to link the two will not necessarily match between your new channel.db and your old rsv.db
  16. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felinos Monk

    I think it will be easier just to list the schedule (Guide >> Yellow) and note it down (or photograph it).
  17. Ezra Pound

    Ezra Pound Well-Known Member

    The same applies both ends

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  18. Luke

    Luke Well-Known Member

    Good thought even if that would make the set-up very odd indeed for a communal system. But at least if the Humax was tried in the Bravia room using the Bravia cables at the very least it would rule some sort of fault in the Humax or the Humax's configuration if it worked.
  19. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felinos Monk

    You gotta admire Ezra's determination.
  20. Ezra Pound

    Ezra Pound Well-Known Member

    I’m sure you wouldn’t have passed up the opportunity