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Discussion in 'HD/HDR-FOX T2 Customised Firmware' started by Black Hole, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felonius Gru

    Custom Firmware - What Is It?

    Amongst other facilities, the Custom Firmware (CF, or CFW) provides a web browser interface to your Humax HD-FOX T2 or HDR-FOX T2, accessed via your home network and the HD/HDR-FOX Ethernet port. The web interface replicates some of the media management functions from the handset (move/copy, create/delete folders etc), but also extends those abilities by offering functions such as decryption (ie remove DRM), conversion to MPG, or extraction of an MP3 soundtrack. Retuning the standard HD/HDR-FOX loses your current recording schedule, but the custom software automatically backs it up and allows you to restore it after the retune.

    Some facilities can be automated and triggered on a regular schedule or when a recording has been made: for instance, series recordings that would normally be sent to a series folder can be set to flatten into the top level (if the user wishes), or pushed down to lower folders (send kid's programmes to a "KIDS" folder, for example).

    By linking your HD/HDR-FOX to an external web service, remote viewing of your EPG and the ability to set up recordings becomes possible from anywhere you can get Internet access. Disk drive maintenance and management is available via Telnet, and even the ability to use GPT-format drives (ie drives in excess of 2TB, with no practical limit). The above examples are just a few of the extras available by installing the Custom Firmware.

    HD-FOX owners should note that the hardware restrictions (compared with the HDR-FOX) limit the options regarding decryption, but it can still be done - for a summary of the restrictions see HERE (click).

    The Custom Firmware does not interfere with the normal day-to-day operation of the HD/HDR-FOX, and you will see no difference to the user interface on the TV screen (other than the custom TV portal, which is an optional install). Except under very specific circumstances, all interaction with the Custom Firmware (where necessary) is by way of the web browser interface and your PC (or other computing device).​

    How Do I Install It?

    To skip the background and proceed with installation, see HERE (click).

    The Custom Firmware is a collection of components. The actual firmware component inserts the necessary "hooks" into the existing Humax firmware in Flash memory so that other non-Humax code can run, and provides a few basic facilities (for example: Telnet access). The firmware component is added to the standard Humax firmware by means of an update using a USB pen drive (UPD), using the normal process for performing a manual firmware update.

    The software component is loaded onto the HDR-FOX internal hard disk drive (directly or indirectly) by Internet download. With the firmware component installed, a minimal web browser interface permits download of the software component, following which a reboot brings up the full web interface. The full web interface then provides package management by which you can select and install the optional facilities you require, by further Internet download.

    Alternatively, it is possible to install the software components of the Custom Firmware via a UPD if necessary (for example, when the target machine is not Internet connected). Although somewhat restricted by the lack of a web interface and Internet connectivity, some of the custom facilities do not depend on them - for example flatten, and OTA update prevention (allowing the unit to update itself from an Over-The-Air firmware update, which it normally looks for at 0430 every day, would disable the custom installation).

    HD-FOX owners must provide external USB storage to host the software components, before initiating download from the minimal web interface. The greatest day-to-day value of the Custom Firmware is its management of recordings, so a typical user will want a USB hard disk drive connected that has been formatted via the HD-FOX settings menus (so that it is recordable) as Ext3. However, a customised HD-FOX also makes an excellent networked companion to a customised HDR-FOX, and a UPD can be used to host the software component. The installation procedure prepares the UPD in a suitable manner (Ext2). NTFS and FAT32 drives/UPDs are not acceptable for hosting the custom software as they are.

    Does the Process of Installing Custom Firmware Delete My Recordings or Affect My Recording Schedule?

    No.

    The only operation which deletes your recordings is if you ask the HDR-FOX to reformat its HDD, either directly or through a Restore Factory Defaults operation.

    The recording schedule gets deleted if you initiate a retune, either directly or through a Restore Factory Defaults operation, or if the unit initiates a retune itself prompted by the broadcast network.

    These are all factors which affect users regardless of having installed Custom Firmware, and things which the Custom Firmware can help prevent.​

    How Do I Return To "Standard"?

    Performing a manual firmware update with the standard Humax firmware removes the Custom Firmware "hooks". Removing all trace of the Custom Firmware software components from the internal hard disk drive requires deletion of a specific folder, easiest done before the firmware is reverted using tools on the web interface or Telnet menu (there is no such worry with the HD-FOX).

    Specific tools are included in the Custom Firmware for returning to standard, the final stage of which is to perform a firmware update manually (using standard Humax firmware).​

    Will I Invalidate My Warranty?

    Possibly, if you own up to what you have done. However, in the event of a warranty issue we advise returning to standard first (see above). There is just the slightest risk that a hardware failure prevents returning it to standard, but in that case it is unlikely to be found.

    The cautious approach is to not install the Custom Firmware until you are satisfied the unit is working and does not need to be returned straight away (in which case it will probably have a long and happy life). The ultra-cautious approach is not to install the Custom Firmware until the warranty period has expired.

    Note that HD/HDR-FOXes have not been manufactured for years, and none remain in warranty.​

    What's All This Fuss With Decryption?

    The HD/HDR-FOX makes all recordings encrypted with a key unique to that particular unit, and not playable on any other unit if the recording file were transferred as it is. The HD-FOX with standard firmware has no way around this; the standard HDR-FOX will decrypt Standard Definition (StDef) recordings if they are copied to a USB drive, but not High Definition (HiDef) recordings (ie recordings from BBC HD, BBC ONE HD, ITV HD, Channel4 HD).

    If you want to use your recordings for anything other than playback on the same unit (eg transfer to your PC), they need to be decrypted somewhere in the process. For the HD-FOX, the Custom Firmware HDR Mode package gives it the ability to decrypt when copying using the handset. The HDR-FOX, on the other hand, gains full web browser access to decryption functions, including decrypted downloads to PC, and even automatic decryption in the background.

    HDR-FOX owners should note that without the Custom Firmware (despite the encryption) it is capable of streaming StDef recordings to PCs and other media players (and it is possible to capture that stream), and HiDef to another Humax (eg HD-FOX) but in a protected stream. It is also possible to decrypt HiDef when copying to USB, having first performed an off-the-box file manipulation (for which you can use FTP). For more information see Things Every... (click) section 5.​

    Is Decryption Legal?

    Possibly not, any more so than recording the hit parade on a radio-cassette was legal. As long as you do it in the privacy of your own home for your own personal use without profit and without affecting the business of the legitimate copyright holders, the damages and punishments that could be awarded are so minor that it wouldn't be worth anyone's time pursuing the case.

    If you are an ultra-stickler for morality and legality, don't do it (but there's still a lot of life in the Custom Firmware even so). If you have ever copied a CD to cassette (or ripped it to a computer), you're with us. However, if you are still on the fence, note that the actual broadcasts are not encrypted (not even HiDef), and they are only encrypted by Humax as a result of a deal between Humax and the broadcasters for the use of the EPG, so if anything it is only a breach of contract (on the part of Humax) and not an offence in crown law.

    The remaining question is whether the Custom Firmware breaches any of Humax's legal rights, and since it is legitimate in law to reverse-engineer code for certain purposes, we believe not.​

    I'm In, What Do I Do Now?

    The Wiki is our evolving on-line manual to the Custom Firmware and software packages, see the Index post #2 for short-cut links (and there is a master link to the Wiki at the top of every forum page). It distils information that (usually) originated in discussion on the Forum, and if it's not in the Wiki it has probably been covered in a forum topic (somewhere). Index post #2 also provides hints for searching the Forum and Wiki. Any remaining questions you have, please post in the relevant topic if there is one, or start a new topic in the appropriate forum.

    Alternatively, to proceed with installation, see HERE (click).

    Check out the following forum topics for more information:

    Differences Between HD-FOX and HDR-FOX
    Things Every HD/HDR-FOX Owner Should Know
    Video Guide to Installing Custom Software
    Index to Forum Topics
    Glossary of Terms (lots of info)
    NEW READERS START HERE

    Important - PLEASE READ

    Users of the custom firmware and software packages must please note that, although there are a great many satisfied users and the risks are very low, NO WARRANTY IS ACCEPTED OR IMPLIED and anyone installing it must do so AT YOUR OWN RISK. This is not meant to put you off, but it is stated in case you don't realise this. If it does put you off, maybe you don't have the appropriate sense of adventure anyway.

    Also, although a great deal of effort has gone in to ensuring a smooth user experience, some aspects (particularly of newly-developed software packages, or if there is a new release of Humax firmware which must be accommodated) are in a state of active development. If you find something which does not appear to work properly, please be so kind as to raise it on the forum stating as precisely as possible the exact circumstances leading up to the problem, what did or didn't happen as a result, and any error messages you may have received. Just posting a complaint that such and such "didn't work" is not sufficient for the experts to work out what is wrong, even better if you can describe exactly how to reproduce the problem.
     
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  2. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felonius Gru

    Steb-by-Step Guide to Installing, and Configuring the Custom Firmware and Software Packages

    These instructions are relevant for when the HD/HDR-FOX has a live Internet connection, or can be provided with one temporarily. For situations where this is not convenient or desirable, see Installing and Configuring the Custom Firmware Without an Internet Connection (click).

    Before you begin, you will need:
    • A USB pen drive in FAT format, preferably empty;

    • The HD/HDR-FOX connected to your home network and the Internet (this can be proven working by accessing the TV Portal);

    • A PC (or other computing device) able to access the Internet and download files, and then able to unzip downloaded files and transfer content to the pen drive;

    • A web browser with access to the home network;
    [The facilities above are only required while the custom firmware and software is being installed and configured. Depending how you wish to use the custom software it may not be necessary for the HD/HDR-FOX to have access to the home network or the Internet after it has been set up to your liking, although obviously if you want to use the TV Portal (eg BBC iPlayer) permanent Internet access would be convenient.]
    • For HD-FOX only, an external USB drive or pen drive for permanent connection (see Preparation section 3).
    If you do not understand this list, please get help from a friend who does!
    .

    Preparation
    1. Note that manual installation of standard firmware or the installation of custom firmware and software packages does not interfere with the operation of the HD/HDR-FOX. Tuning, recording schedule, and recordings remain intact. Installation of firmware may cause the on/off timer settings to be reset.
      .
      • You can inspect or modify the on/off timer settings using the HD/HDR-FOX handset:
        Menu >> Settings >> Preferences >> Time >> Power On Timer / Power Off Timer
        .
    2. The custom firmware download is complete in itself, and completely replaces the existing firmware installed (the standard firmware on which it is based is included in the download). Several versions are available, because there have been several versions of standard firmware and each version has its pros and cons. Be aware of which version you wish to install, or simply choose the latest.
      .
      • You can inspect the installed standard firmware version using the HD/HDR-FOX handset:
        Menu >> Settings >> System >> System Information >> Software Version
        .
      • The pros and cons of the various standard firmwares are summarised in Things Every... (click) section 1.
        .
    3. For HD-FOX only it will be necessary to host the custom software on a permanently-connected USB hard disk drive, formatted to Ext3. Connect the drive and format it with the Humax utilities (if you are already using a hard drive to record, it has been formatted correctly and you can use that without risk to your recordings - do not reformat).
      .
      • Format command:
        Menu >> Settings >> System >> Data Storage >> Format Storage
        .
      It is also possible to host the software on a USB pen drive, instructions TBA.
      .HDR-FOX will host the custom software on the internal hard disk drive, no external drive necessary.
      .
    Installation
    1. Identify which version of the custom firmware you require. For this you need to know whether you have an HD-FOX or an HDR-FOX, and which version of the standard firmware you prefer. For HDR-FOX, Custom firmware is available for either standard firmware 1.02.20, 1.02.32, or the latest (1.03.12 currently). Versions for HD-FOX go up to 1.03.02 at present.
      .
      • You can inspect the installed standard firmware version using the HD/HDR-FOX handset:
        Menu >> Settings >> System >> System Information >> Software Version
        .
      • The pros and cons of the various standard firmwares are summarised in Things Every... (click) section 1.
        .
      • Custom firmwares are downloadable via the Wiki here:
      The name of the custom firmware download file follows a convention, and is structured to identify it:

      "XXX_FOX_T2_Y.YY.YY_mod_Z.ZZ.zip", where:

      XXX = "HD" or "HDR" according to Humax model,
      Y.YY.YY = version of standard firmware which the custom firmware is written for,
      Z.ZZ = version of custom firmware.​

      NOTE: unless specifically instructed, do not use a version of custom firmware with a letter suffix (eg "k" or "d"). These are "specials", rolled out for development or to solve particular problems that occur in rare circumstances.

      Having ensured you have correctly identified the required download, click the link to download the file to the computer you will use to write it to a USB pen drive. Your browser should ask where to store the download - put it on your desktop for convenience.

      Double-click the downloaded .zip to open it in a file explorer window. From there, copy the enclosed .hdf file to your empty FAT-format USB pen drive. Viewing the content of the USB pen drive should show a file named either hd_fox_t2_upgrade.hdf or hdr_fox_t2_upgrade.hdf, according to which model you have. It is desirable you have the correct file at this stage, otherwise subsequent steps will be a waste of your time (the unit will simply refuse to recognise the update).
      .
    2. Perform a manual firmware update to install the custom firmware download onto the HD/HDR-FOX. The procedures are slightly different for HD-FOX or HDR-FOX:
      .With the custom firmware installed, when the HD/HDR-FOX reboots the custom firmware version will be reported on the front panel display during boot - either "FZZZ" (HD-FOX) or "Cust FW Z.ZZ" (HDR-FOX), where "ZZZ" or "Z.ZZ" represents the three digits of the custom firmware version. This confirms the successful first stage, and is the only difference that is visible - there will be no difference on the TV screen. The process now continues via network connection and web browser.
      .
    3. With the HD/HDR-FOX connected to the network, access the installation web interface from your preferred web browser. To do this, type the HD/HDR-FOX's IP address into the browser address bar (not the search bar) prefixed by "http://". For example: "http://192.168.1.68" - these numbers are for my network, you need to substitute your own IP address.
      .
      • You can inspect the IP address using the HD/HDR-FOX handset.
        .
        For an Ethernet connection:
        Menu >> Settings >> System >> Internet Setting >> Configure LAN >> IP Address
        .
        For a WiFi connection:
        Menu >> Settings >> System >> Internet Setting >> Configure LAN (Wi-Fi) >> IP Address
        .
      Proceed as per instructions on the Wiki to install the full web interface: http://wiki.hummy.tv/wiki/Install_Full_Web_Interface
      .
    Configuration

    With no further configuration you have the Web Interface (WebIF) available via your web browser, which provides a number of options for managing the HD/HDR-FOX without the use of the remote control. These include:
    • Media Browser - provides a file explorer interface, able to copy, move, or delete recordings and inspect their properties and descriptions, create and delete folders, etc.
    • Events Browser - inspect and modify scheduled events (reminders, recordings, etc), including events normally hidden on the standard user interface (OTA update search, retune events).
    • EPG Browser - view the EPG and set up recordings. Note that changes to the scheduled events require a reboot to take effect, but the reboot can be postponed until convenient.
    • Settings page - configures defaults for the WebIF behaviour and any packages which offer user settings.
    • Package Management page - for installing, updating, and removing packages.
    • Diagnostics page.
    These facilities in themselves are sufficient that the HD/HDR-FOX can be "house kept" without disturbing the viewing enjoyment of the more important members of the household.

    With an Internet connection, many additional facilities are easily configured via the Package Management screen. However, for the newcomer I advise becoming familiar with the WebIF as it stands before diving into the myriad options available with installable packages (it is fair to say that no custom firmware installation is the same as any other, there are so many choices to make according to individual preference).

    Package Management

    The WebIF (Web Interface) Package Management page presents three tabs: "Installed", "Available", and "Upgrades". On first installation, the "Installed" tab will not show many entries, and any shown are packages installed by default and necessary for the general operation of the WebIF (which is, itself, listed as a package). The reason for these being here is to manage their updating when upgrades become available, as listed in the "Upgrades" tab (which lists newer versions of the installed set of packages).

    While viewing the "Installed" tab, click the "Show" button near the top right of the page. This reveals the internal detail of the software elements used to run the installation by revealing "advanced" packages. Click the "Hide" button to return to the normal view. Casual users of the custom firmware do not need to see this detail, and must not remove any of these advanced packages (or any of the default installation) without risking malfunction.

    The "Available" tab lists the plethora of optional package installs that are available, with a brief explanation of each. For more information see the wiki: Package Notes (click), or use the forum search tools to look for the name of the package in question, restricting your search to the custom firmware section and searching thread titles only (the search box is top right on the forum pages, and there are tick boxes for restricting the search). The primary thread (topic) for any particular package usually has the package name in square brackets. There is also (now) a forum topic dedicated to providing an index to the primary thread for each package, where it is also appropriate to post questions about the specific package: Index of Package Primary Topics (click).

    Installing a package is as simple as clicking the "Install" button, and any additional packages it depends on will also be installed automatically. Showing advanced packages will reveal any packages which are in development and not yet considered ready for casual users, along with software elements required to support packages. It is wise to reboot the unit at least once after installing or updating packages, possibly twice, to ensure the installation completes properly (for notes on rebooting, see below).

    The "Upgrades" tab shows installed packages for which there are newer versions available. Click the "Check for updates" button to refresh this list from the Internet. Packages can be individually upgraded using the relevant button, or the whole population of packages is updated to the latest version using the "Upgrade all packages" button. Note that even with advanced packages hidden, the "Upgrade all packages" includes any advanced packages that require updating.

    Recommended Packages and Settings


    Many of the first packages developed were to address specific inadequacies or disliked features of the standard Humax firmware. These make a strong showing in the recommended list. For a review of the "standard" HD/HDR-FOX, see Things Every... (click). Note however that the custom firmware packages do not (and cannot) affect the on-screen behaviour except in very specific ways. The packages mainly operate in the background, or provide web browser utilities and network access.

    Needless to say (but I will anyway): don't fiddle with something you don't understand, be that installing or removing a package, or altering a setting.

    In the list below, packages marked "*" are strongly recommended, the remainder are recommended but personal preference (read the details and decide whether you want to use them). There are many other packages available, with advanced or esoteric functionality, for you to discover in your own good time.

    auto-update

    This keeps the installed packages updated to the latest version (within a day of release) without user intervention, provided the system has a live Internet connection. Many of us are cagey about allowing software to update without supervision, but in the case of custom firmware packages any problems found are corrected very quickly, and anything tricky will have been beta-tested before releasing it to the casual users. Installing the auto-update package means a job you don't have to worry about, but if you are of the "it's working, don't mess with it" school don't install this package.​

    disable-ota *, disable-dso *

    These prevent the disruption that would occur if the HD/HDR-FOX updated its firmware automatically during the daily 0430 search, or reacted to an enforced retune. For details of how to use them see Preventing External Events from Disturbing the CF (click).​

    auto-unprotect *

    This causes HiDef recordings to behave just like StDef recordings with regard to protection, so they can be copied out to a USB drive etc etc. For details see Decryption Guide (click).​

    undelete

    Adds a recycle bin folder to My Video, then any recording deleted through WebIF or the on-screen menus is moved to the recycle bin instead of being deleted immediately, and can thus be recovered if it was deleted by mistake. The bin self-empties according to a set of rules in Settings, and the emptying becomes more aggressive if disk space is running short. Note that deletions by other mechanisms (command line access, FTP, SMB/NFS) are deletions and will not be protected by undelete.​

    tunefix

    Retunes can be complex, particularly if in an area served by multiple transmitters (see Things Every... click, section 2). Even if in a single transmitter area, there are usually a large number of services that you are not interested in to be deleted (if you leave them, they clutter the EPG and services list unnecessarily). tunefix is configurable with a page accessed via Settings, and once set up to your liking will automatically remove transmitters and services following a retune (requires a reboot after the retune).​

    tunefix-update

    Sometimes simply altering the LCN of a service, or adding a new service to an existing transmitter channel, doesn't require a full retune. This package acts like an auto-update when such service revisions occur.​

    auto-schedule-restore *

    A significant problem of retunes is that they leave your recording schedule empty. The WebIF automatically backs up your schedule daily, and manual backups can be taken whenever you like - see the Scheduled Events page, "Backup/Restore" tab. This package automatically restores the schedule from the latest backup, if an empty schedule is detected at startup.​

    ir

    Want to control your HD/HDR-FOX using the web browser on your PC/tablet/phone instead of the handset? Install this package and a virtual remote is added to the WebIF main page; bookmark the remote control page to have it handy. ("IR" = infrared, the means the handset uses to send commands.)​

    flatview

    Fed up with series recordings being made to folders so you can't find them? This package sets up a new folder in My Video, which contains a list of recent recordings (configurable in Settings) regardless of what folder they are really in.​

    rs

    "RS" = Remote Scheduling. Install this package, and register with the http://rs.hummypkg.org.uk/ web site, to enable remote control of your recording schedule from anywhere you have access to the Internet! Obviously the HD/HDR-FOX must also be on-line for this to work. We had this before Sky did! See also WebIF setting: RTS (below).​

    wireless-helper *

    If you use WiFi to connect your HD/HDR-FOX to your home network (and the Internet), install this package to ensure you can reach the WebIF, and the unit can reach the RS service, even if it is only booted to make a timer recording (the HALF-AWAKE state).​

    zeroconf

    This package makes the unit accessible on your network by name instead of having to use an IP address. Handy if the IP address keeps changing (but see Configuring IP Address - click). May not work in some network configurations.​

    screensaver-all

    Fed up with the standard clock screensaver? Install our alternative set, and select which one to use in Settings - or select a set to use at random.​

    foxlink

    Do you have more than one HD/HDR-FOX? Link them to share recordings better than the standard DLNA access by installing this package on both (needs configuration in Settings).​

    samba

    Makes the Humax media folders visible on your home network like a NAS, so you can access recordings etc from your PC file manager. Note that recordings will be useless unless decrypted (see below).

    NB: Increasingly there are incompatibility issues between the version of Samba available in the CF (compatible with Samba 1 and Samba 2) and the most recent operating systems (such as Win10) which use Samba 3. Usually these problems can be solved by the appropriate configuration settings (in the PC). NFS networking is available as an alternative, but that is not directly compatible with Windows machines (useful for Linux and Mac).​

    network-shares-automount

    Far more versatile (but far more complex) than foxlink, this package can be used to make any NAS on your home network (including shared folders on a PC, or other HDR-FOXes with samba installed) accessible to the HD/HDR-FOX as if they were USB drives. See https://hummy.tv/forum/threads/network-shares-automount-package-released.1126/

    WebIF setting: RTS

    It used to be the case that reboots were required to make modifications to the recording schedule. This was crippling, particularly for the RS service, because it was impossible to set a recording through WebIF or RS without then making sure that the instruction was actually registered in time for the recording to be made - if through RS, presumably you're not at home to do it! RTS (Real Time Scheduling) revolutionises this: turn it on to make schedule alterations without needing a reboot. Note: there remain some rare occurrences of "runaway recordings" when RTS is enabled.

    WebIF Browse Media Files setting: Recursive Decryption *

    One of the significant benefits of the custom firmware is to free recordings from the restrictions of being encrypted on disk. This applies to both StDef and HiDef recordings. To ensure all recordings are automatically decrypted immediately after recording (or as soon as possible thereafter), install the auto-unprotect package (see above), and set the My Video folder for Recursive Auto-Decrypt ("OPT+" button next to "/media/My Video"). For details see Decryption Guide, method 2.​

    Rebooting

    The WebIF Diagnostics page provides direct access to reboot the unit. The HD-FOX has a tiny button hidden behind the front flap which provides a hardware reset. Rebooting an HDR-FOX using the standby button on the front panel or the handset requires a specific procedure to ensure the reboot occurs properly, the unit must enter the STANDBY or OFF state before being restarted - see Things Every... (click) section 18.
     
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  3. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felonius Gru

    This is a place holder for further instructions to be developed

    It is possible to install the custom firmware and software packages without a direct connection to the Internet, some of the facilities being downloadable as a "bundle" and installed or updated via USB. Instructions are available on the Wiki: http://wiki.hummy.tv/wiki/Manually_loading_Features_from_USB. This can be useful to obtain custom facilities when an Internet connection is impractical or not desirable, but is restricted to facilities which do not require interaction via the web interface.
     
  4. Ineluki

    Ineluki Member

    I have a Fox-T2 that's (a) out of warranty and (b) a pain in the backside because the remote works badly on occasions. I look forward to doing this install and using the iPad to control the damn thing. :)
     
  5. Black Hole

    Black Hole Felonius Gru

    You've been missing out this far.
     
  6. Trev

    Trev The Dumb One

    Have you scraped the 'paint' off the inside of the IR window?
     
  7. Brian

    Brian Administrator Staff Member

    I thought that only applied to the Foxsat boxes.
     
  8. Trev

    Trev The Dumb One

    Ah. Might do, as I've got both.