The Godfather - Film4 recorded short (137min of 215min)

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SunnysideUK

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Recorded Film4's The Godfather (1972) last night.

The recording looked OK but somewhat small for such a long SD film at 2.64GiB....then I noticed is says 137 minutes (scheduled 215).
The recoding ended early about 20 seconds after its 5th ad-break, otherwise the recording looks okay and processed the ad-detection normally.
I can't seen any log showing any anomaly.

Anyone else have this as well or any ideas why this would occur?

I'll see what happens to tonight's "The Godfather Part II" on Film4 at 21:00-01:00 (4 hours/240min).
 
SunnysideUK said:
Anyone else have this as well or any ideas why this would occur?
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Probably broadcaster induced. I have a (partially written) tool to log this stuff. I can tell you what happened on BBC ONE SD for yesterday and today, but nothing else (you get swamped with too much data when debugging!).
I'll try de-filtering it later to see what happens tonight.
 
Did the recording have a failed incomplete recording status and lightning bolt thumbnail or did the recording show as OK?
Sometimes detectads can crash mid recording but it that case you would expect to have the full original recording available
 
prpr said:
I can tell you what happened on BBC ONE SD for yesterday and today
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Here's a sample. Hopefully the gaps from yesterday are gone now. Decoding the Service Information tables is such fun. :o_O:
00:54:54 Event 4161:06000 started "Weather for the Week Ahead"
01:01:06 Event 4161:06001 started "BBC News"
05:59:49 Event 4161:06002 started "Breakfast"
09:14:11 Event 4161:06003 started "Morning Live"
09:59:51 Event 4161:06004 started "Caught Red Handed"
10:29:56 Event 4161:06005 started "Claimed and Shamed"
11:14:59 Event 4161:06006 started "Homes Under the Hammer"
? Bargain Hunt
12:59:53 Event 4161:06008 started "BBC News at One"
13:33:54 Event 4161:06009 started "Points West"
13:45:26 Event 4161:06010 started "Doctors"
? The Farmers' Country Showdown
15:00:14 Event 4161:06012 started "Escape to the Country"
15:44:53 Event 4161:06013 started "Antiques Road Trip"
? Bridge of Lies
17:14:51 Event 4161:06015 started "Pointless"
17:59:54 Event 4161:06016 started "BBC News at Six"
18:31:16 Event 4161:06017 started "Points West"
19:00:21 Event 4161:06018 started "The One Show"
19:30:08 Event 4161:06019 started "MOTD Live: Sheffield United v..."
22:00:16 Event 4161:06020 started "BBC News and Weather"
22:32:38 Event 4161:06021 started "Points West"
22:41:23 Event 4161:06022 started "Captain America: The Winter..."

? The Apprentice
01:48:30 Event 4161:06024 started "Weather for the Week Ahead"
01:53:28 Event 4161:06025 started "BBC News"
05:59:50 Event 4161:06053 started "Breakfast"
09:13:43 Event 4161:06054 started "Morning Live"
10:00:08 Event 4161:06055 started "Caught Red Handed"
10:30:13 Event 4161:06056 started "Claimed and Shamed"
11:14:48 Event 4161:06057 started "Homes Under the Hammer"
12:14:50 Event 4161:06058 started "Bargain Hunt"
12:59:56 Event 4161:06059 started "BBC News at One"
13:33:46 Event 4161:06060 started "Points West"
13:45:16 Event 4161:06061 started "Doctors"
14:14:54 Event 4161:06062 started "The Farmers' Country Showdown"
 
SunnysideUK said:
OK, as your implying it's not ditectly Humax/CF related.
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Correct. Presuming you're not post-processing the recording in some way, the recording itself isn't handled by the custom firmware at all.

If you read the information I've linked, you'll see there are well-known issues with relying on the broadcaster to tell the recorder when to start and stop! Apart from the potential for deliberate sabotage from vested interests, there are accidents and ineptitude.
 
MymsMan said:
Did the recording have a failed incomplete recording status and lightning bolt thumbnail or did the recording show as OK?
Sometimes detectads can crash mid recording but it that case you would expect to have the full original recording available
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No errors. My Humax has a UPS inline. No other errors with another recording at same time The Godfather ended (Captain America: The Winter Soldier, BBC1 HD, 22:41-00:48).

I'll record it again on Mon 06 Mar 2023 21:00 and I'll also record it on another Humax but with AR set to off for its schedule.
 
Black Hole said:
http://hummy.tv/forum/threads/accurate-recording-ar-padding-and-lost-series-links.858/

Discussion of broadcaster performance isn't usually conducted in the HDR-FOX-specific section of the forum (because it isn't specific to HDR-FOX). See the Freeview and Free-to-Air sections.
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I've created the same thread already under the forum: "Free-to-air Discussions".
However the original one has now been moved (but over written my edited re-posting (I thought I'd now best say what recorder I was using, etc).

In future, is there a way for me to move my thread from one forum to another?
(short of me reposting and deleting the old one!)
 
SunnysideUK said:
In future, is there a way for me to move my thread from one forum to another?
(short of me reposting and deleting the old one!)
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You can report your thread, and request that you would like it to be moved, then a member of staff will move it for you.
 
Has Film4 started scheduling [over-]long movies as two-part programmes, with an intermission, as some of the other channels do with all movies? 137 minutes is close to half the expected lengthy length.
 
/df said:
Has Film4 started scheduling [over-]long movies as two-part programmes, with an intermission, as some of the other channels do with all movies? 137 minutes is close to half the expected lengthy length.
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The humax should be able to cope with such split recordings by automatically scheduling recording for both halves but it is quite possible that Film4 messed up an failed to include the split recording indicator (#01) into the programmes CRID

However none of the other showings of the Godfather series on Film4 are scheduled as split recordings (it would be nice if the display showed duration)
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/df said:
Has Film4 started scheduling [over-]long movies as two-part programmes, with an intermission, as some of the other channels do with all movies? 137 minutes is close to half the expected lengthy length.
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I’ve not seen, or at least noticed this… yet.
5Start and “GREAT! movies action” do this routinely. I used to join them although I have been able to 'join' them at recording by editing its recording schedule to manual start-stop via the remote control its connected TV-Humax GUI. Although you’ll loose AR.
That said I avoid recording these channels (and others) due to the awful DoG's and even in programme advertising.
It's a shame BBC3 and BBC4 use DoG's. Channel 4 seem to be changing theirs recently and can be different from am to evening. Sometime its HD channel shows 4HD, sometime just 4. I wish all DoG's be gone.
 
And last nights The Godfather Part II, started recording ~12min late at 21:12.
Well done state-owned Channel Four Television Corporation!
 
SunnysideUK said:
And last nights The Godfather Part II, started recording ~12min late at 21:12.
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I'm afraid I missed the start due to debugging, but here's the log since:
00:59:21 Event 8385:14591 4F:06 started "The Banshees of Inisherin..."
00:59:24 Event 8385:14543 4F:06 added 2023-03-03 01:05:00 02:40:00 "Her Smell"
00:59:24 Event 8385:14542 4F:05 removed "The Godfather Part II"
01:05:39 Event 8385:14543 4F:07 started "Her Smell"
01:05:42 Event 8385:60122 4F:07 added 2023-03-03 03:45:00 02:15:00 "Teleshopping"
01:05:42 Event 8385:14591 4F:06 removed "The Banshees of Inisherin..."
03:45:02 Event 8385:60122 4F:08 started "Teleshopping"
03:45:04 Event 8385:60123 4F:08 added 2023-03-03 06:00:00 05:00:00 "Teleshopping"
03:45:04 Event 8385:14543 4F:07 removed "Her Smell"
06:00:02 Event 8385:60123 4F:09 started "Teleshopping"
06:00:04 Event 8385:14544 4F:09 added 2023-03-03 11:00:00 02:10:00 "Shenandoah"
06:00:04 Event 8385:60122 4F:08 removed "Teleshopping"
11:01:29 Event 8385:14544 4F:10 started "Shenandoah"
11:01:32 Event 8385:14545 4F:10 added 2023-03-03 13:10:00 02:00:00 "The File on Thelma Jordon"
11:01:32 Event 8385:60123 4F:09 removed "Teleshopping"
13:10:29 Event 8385:14545 4F:11 started "The File on Thelma Jordon"
13:10:32 Event 8385:14546 4F:11 added 2023-03-03 15:10:00 02:05:00 "Thunder Bay"
13:10:32 Event 8385:14544 4F:10 removed "Shenandoah"
15:11:57 Event 8385:14546 4F:12 started "Thunder Bay"
15:11:59 Event 8385:14547 4F:12 added 2023-03-03 17:15:00 01:35:00 "7th Cavalry"
15:11:59 Event 8385:14545 4F:11 removed "The File on Thelma Jordon"
Nothing amiss there. Will keep monitoring.
 
prpr said:
I'm afraid I missed the start due to debugging, but here's the log since:
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Your tool looks very interesting, to make it easier to spot problems it might be useful to compare the start/end times with the epg scheduled times and report the delta difference highlighting those entries that are more than five minutes different from the scheduled time or where the duration is more than 5 minutes difference from the epg,
 
Out of curiosity I have set my Aura to record tonight's Godfather 3, I may be the only person here who has never seen 1 & 2.
 
I just checked and it started recording at the Paramount logo and stopped 6 minutes after the closing titles. 3h 9m
 
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