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Why is ITV's iPlayer so crap?

Discussion in 'The Hummy Arms' started by parish, Jan 31, 2011.

  1. parish

    parish Member

    Anyone know? Seems to be as bad now as when I first used it a few years ago.

    It uses Flash or Java so doesn't work on the iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch.
    It isn't available on my Sony TV or Blu-ray player and, I imagine, won't be on the Humax TV Portal either.

    Even on a PC/Mac it's terrible.

    The HDR missed recording Wild At Heart last night (conflict with a repeating scheduled recording). Had to drag the MacBookPro out and find my DVI->HDMI cable then frig about behind the wall-mounted TV to connect them up.

    The picture quality was awful even though it only filled about 60% of the screen.

    Do you think ITV are ever going to up their game? Has anyone at ITV ever seen/used the BBC iPlayer, which isn't perfect but is light-years ahead of ITV's, or are ITV employees barred from watching BBC?
  2. maybe it's to keep it aligned with the standard of the programmes to be found on ITV ;)
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  3. parish

    parish Member

    :D Hadn't thought of that!
  4. MrPloppy

    MrPloppy Member

    I do remember something about the iplayer technology being made available to itv, channel 4 and others, because it is so good, and was paid for with license payers money. That was sometime ago though... I may have to do some digging to find out more.
  5. MrPloppy

    MrPloppy Member

  6. That's a shame - but I suppose the commons standard approach became overtaken with Project Canvas/YouView...... possibly that's where their development is now starting to focus.
  7. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    And guess what YouView use to deliver catch-up ITV? ITV Player!

    That just proved how bad Apple was.
  8. parish

    parish Member

    You serious? Not supporting Flash on iOS devices is a good move. Whenever my browser hangs/crashes/sucks 100+% CPU then 99 times out of 100 it's the bloody Flash plug-in.

    Adobe should do the decent thing and scrap it, it passed it's sell by date years ago
  9. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    Didn't they incorporate Flash into Adobe AIR? I never liked Flash anyway, but can't remember it ever crashing my browser.

    Flash was banned by Apple because they wanted complete control, and Adobe wouldn't give them it. They hated Java for the same reasons, and refused to push out updates, so as to make Java seem more insecure than everything else. In reality, it was their system that was insecure.

    Apple too is past its sell-by date! :p
  10. parish

    parish Member

    Funny we should be talking about Flash. I've just gone to Adobe's website to watch a video about Premiere Elements and, as you would expect, it's uses a Flash player, but underneath it there is a link "Switch to HTML5 Beta Player"
    - see, even Adobe's moving to modern technology​
  11. ChrisDaniels

    ChrisDaniels Well-Known Member

    Flash was banned on iOS because it's buggy and a battery hog. Steve jobs wrote an open letter about it.
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  12. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    I have a suspicion that the HTML5 version wraps the Flash in an HTML5 layer, though.
  13. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    And you believe him? I wouldn't have bought a second-hand car from him!

    Isn't it just that iOS is buggy and also a battery hog the way it runs Flash?

    After all, Jobs (Edit: oops! I wrote Gates the first time!) was wrong (misleading) on many other things. Java, for instance. Also 7" tablets.
  14. ChrisDaniels

    ChrisDaniels Well-Known Member

  15. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    Yes, I have read the letter. Here is the most important point, according to Jobs:

    "This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor’s platforms."

    Ironically, iOS has turned out to be the lowest common denominator of mobile OSes---Apple is prominently on record as saying that Android can emulate all their features---so as it turned out, he had nothing to worry about!

    I agree with some of the points he made, and have a flash blocker in my copy of Chrome, which I can use to enable/disable it. Thus I see the sheer number of sites that use Flash even to display images. A staggering number! I guess these all arise from people using dumb web design programs rather than smart ones. I also guess that these sites all go wrong on iOS.

    One other point was that Jobs said that Flash for video was unnecessary because H.264 could be used instead. Quite true, and yet we still see Quicktime movies online. Funny that, Apple criticizing a rival format.
  16. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    I just had a look at players on Windows8.1 using Chrome as browser

    BBC iPlayer: uses Flash
    ITV Player: uses Flash
    4od: uses Flash
    Channel 5: uses Flash

  17. parish

    parish Member

    True, but that's a poor example as you wouldn't want to watch the website versions of these on a mobile device - Android and Windows as well as iOS - , you'd use the dedicated app .
  18. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    Possibly, but I was just illustrating that Flash still appears to be alive and well.. It is hardly surprising that they are serving Flash on mobiles too. I reckon a load of Apps just run a website in a restricted browser window anyway.

    Anyway, the ITV Player App runs fine for me, I just tried it on my phone, on a version of Android that Flash no longer supports. Perhaps the thread title needs amending?

    ITV Player also works on my Samsung TV, and on Freesat on my Humax Foxsat HDR. On YouView too.
  19. ChrisDaniels

    ChrisDaniels Well-Known Member

    Flash is still the standard on desktops because it's more secure from a broadcaster point of view.
    It's harder for the av joe to rip the video stream from a flash file than it is an HTML one.
    Different technologies suit different devices, and it's cheaper to employ developers to build in flash rather than html5.

    Btw, QuickTime uses h.264.
  20. Mike0001

    Mike0001 Well-Known Member

    As well as 48 other codecs, within a proprietary wrapper. And you have to purchase a Pro license to download videos.

    So why is ITV Player not working on iOS if it works on Android?