BBC radio 3 FreeView broadcasts encrypted by Humax 1800T after 14th Aug 2018?

[EEPhil]

It will be interesting to see how quickly the count tends towards 0. Currently it's 115.
Or maybe it will sort itself out now, as there is nothing after the 6th with the flag set.

This might seem like a silly question. How can you find the Enc flag is going to be set from the EPG? Remember this is the 1800T/2000T section and we don't have access to the CF.

 

[Black Hole]

Does that mean nobody can post information gathered by other means? I'll take it you mean to ask whether there is a way to gather this info using only a vanilla unit.

 

[prpr]

How can you find the Enc flag is going to be set from the EPG? Remember this is the 1800T/2000T section and we don't have access to the CF.

I dunno. I don't have an 1800T/2000T but I expect the answer is "you can't" and you have to rely on those who can query such stuff on our CF'd T2s.

 

[EEPhil]

Does that mean nobody can post information gathered by other means?

No. But it could be helpful if ...

... there is a way to gather this info using only a vanilla unit.

Actually my unit is black. I don't think they did 2000Ts in vanilla. 4000Ts in various coffee colours.

 

[EEPhil]

I dunno. I don't have an 1800T/2000T but I expect the answer is "you can't" and you have to rely on those who can query such stuff on our CF'd T2s.

I wonder. It must be embedded in a transport stream somewhere. Might have a look when I get off t'net.

 

[prpr]

It must be embedded in a transport stream somewhere.

Yes, obviously, as that's where the boxes get their EPGs from. EIT descriptor 0x7E (126) has the Content Management stuff. IIRC, EIT is in PID 18.

 

[prpr]

Or maybe it will sort itself out now, as there is nothing after the 6th with the flag set.

It has and this is now all resolved as of 08:05 this morning.

 

[EEPhil]

It appeared to be resolved on Thursday. After my last post I couldn't get anything recording with Enc appearing. No wonder I couldn't find anything in the .ts files.

 

[prpr]

It appeared to be resolved on Thursday.

It wasn't. Here's the stuff from today:

706|BBC R5SX|2018-10-06 03:55:00|5 live Formula 1
706|BBC R5SX|2018-10-06 05:05:00|Coming up on 5 live sports extra
706|BBC R5SX|2018-10-06 06:55:00|5 live Formula 1
707|BBC 6 Music|2018-10-06 03:00:00|6 Music Live Hour
707|BBC 6 Music|2018-10-06 04:00:00|The Album As Art
707|BBC 6 Music|2018-10-06 05:00:00|Chris Hawkins
708|BBC Radio 4 Ex|2018-10-06 05:30:00|A Charles Paris Mystery

 

[EEPhil]

The stuff from today - is this supposed to be programmes that will display Enc? If so, then it doesn't correspond to my experience from the Waltham transmitter. "Charles Paris" had no Enc here.

Edit: A quick check of the .hmt file for Charles Paris reveals no Enc (0x3dc = 0x04) but location 0x431 = 0x01 (Number of copies allowed when 'Copy Limited' flag is set in 0x3DC ). Last week's CP didn't specify a number of copies.

 

[prpr]

The stuff from today - is this supposed to be programmes that will display Enc? If so, then it doesn't correspond to my experience from the Waltham transmitter. "Charles Paris" had no Enc here.

The data on my T2 in Waltham-land is the same as on my T2 in Mendip-land.
Here's the EPG data for that programme for today and tomorrow. I can't speak for what the 1800T/2000T boxes do, but I'm sure that today's would have displayed Enc. on the T2 - it's a bit difficult to tell now as it's history.

                    Service ID: 5824
                      Event ID: 45223
                    Start Date: 0xe41d 4:30:00 (Sat Oct  6 05:30:00 2018)
                      Duration: 0:30:00
                     Encrypted: 0
                  Content Mgmt: Yes
                          Name: A Charles Paris Mystery
                          Text: Charles suspects foul play when the reality star playing Hamlet is severely injured. Who will be next?
                  Content Type: Drama (15)
                    Event CRID: /DJD6U3
                   Series CRID: /PE3BX2
----------------------------------------------------------
                    Service ID: 6912
                      Event ID: 291
                    Start Date: 0xe41e 18:15:00 (Sun Oct  7 19:15:00 2018)
                      Duration: 0:30:00
                     Encrypted: 0
                  Content Mgmt: No
                          Name: A Charles Paris Mystery
                          Text: Bill Nighy stars as the actor cum amateur sleuth.  With the cast of Hamlet dropping like flies could there be a murderer in the company.Jeremy Front adapts Simon Brett's novel
                  Content Type: Show/Game show (3)
                    Event CRID: /b/3DK6CX
                   Series CRID: /PDKHC9

Interesting how they change the Content Type between R4 and R4X though. The repeat of tomorrow's R4 next weekend on R4X has it back as Drama.
Digging a bit further, here's some of the raw data for the first of these:

Descriptor header:
                        descriptor: 0x76 [118] (content id)
                               len: 9
                    content.d118.i: 1
                          location: 0
                              type: 49
                           cridlen: 7
                              crid: 2f 44 4a 44 36 55 33  (/DJD6U3)
                               ref: 0
Descriptor header:
                        descriptor: 0x76 [118] (content id)
                               len: 9
                    content.d118.i: 1
                          location: 0
                              type: 50
                           cridlen: 7
                              crid: 2f 50 45 33 42 58 32  (/PE3BX2)
                               ref: 0
Descriptor header:
                        descriptor: 0x7e [126] (content mgmt)
                               len: 1
             content.d126.reserved: 15
          content.d126.no_scramble: 0
    content.d126.control_remote_access: 3
        content.d126.no_revocation: 0

There should not be any 0x7e/126 descriptors on SD or radio, only on HD.
Thanks are due to @af123 for the excellent epg utility which allows relative ease in poking about with this stuff.

 

[prpr]

For reference:

 

[EEPhil]

Those last two posts are very interesting. (Really!)
I had already recorded the Charles Paris at 05:30 before this conversation started and there was no Enc on the 2000T. Strange!

 

[EEPhil]

Thanks are due to @af123 for the excellent epg utility which allows relative ease in poking about with this stuff.

Makes me think I need to mug up on the extraction of epg info from a recorded programme so that I can investigate on a 2000T or even my PC dongle.

 

[prpr]

EN 300 468

 

[EEPhil]

Makes me think I need to mug up on the extraction of epg info from a recorded programme so that I can investigate on a 2000T or even my PC dongle.

EN 300 468

I found an easy way - of course, this doesn't aid understanding.
Use TSReader with a dongle and you can get an xml document containing eit data from one multiplex with minimal effort. Hidden away in the xml document is most of the info similar to post #31. Pop! (piece of p...)