Confusion over recording from different channels at the same time

Black Hole

May contain traces of nut
I agree I just coined that for this thread, but find an existing term for the four combinations of band and polarization and I'll happily use it.

he's made it up just like that silly term for usb sticks.
Well, I think "USB stick" is at least as silly. It doesn't look much like a stick to me.
 
OP
P

PokerP

New Member
It seems that someone (you?) factory reset it with only one cable connected so it went into the single cable mode.
No, today was the first time we've done a factory reset.
We've only been using the box for 4 weeks, but its 2nd hand....
 

Luke

Well-Knwοn Мember
... A signal is sent to the LNB (up the same cable, by pulsing the power feed) to select which particular quarter.
What are these 'quadrants' that you mentioned above BH? Never heard that term before WRT Freeview or any Humax box I have owned.
One of Low H, Low V, High H, High V. Surely it's not too difficult?
It's nothing to do with Freeview and everything to do with satellite.
I agree I just coined that for this thread, but find an existing term for the four combinations of band and polarization and I'll happily use it.
I vote for a term that I found during an internet search that was used in this context from about ten years ago, and still appears to be in use.
Examples:
From year 2009: https://www.avforums.com/threads/wi...works-with-a-magic-eye.1097810/#post-10561768
From year 2010: https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/satellite-lnb-can-it-be-split.18098588/#post-15679013
 

Black Hole

May contain traces of nut
God you're thick. Coining terms goes on all the time, how do you think you got the words you are using?

And anyway, it seems I was on the right track all along! Easy, because it's obviously an appropriate description.

I vote for a term that I found during an internet search that was used in this context from about ten years ago
Yay! :)
 

mihaid

Well-Known Member
God you're thick. Coining terms goes on all the time, how do you think you got the words you are using?

And anyway, it seems I was on the right track all along! Easy, because it's obviously an appropriate description.


Yay! :)
Would you care to say who are you agreeing with in the post I quoted above if it's not me. Especially since you are actually quoting me.
 

dandnsmith

Forum Supporter
What are these 'quadrants' that you mentioned above BH? Never heard that term before WRT Freeview or any Humax box I have owned.
I assume that this is from the combinations of High/Low frequency range with Vertical/Horizontal polarisation, but haven't heard it referred to that way
 

Trev

The Dumb One
What confused me was this
Yes, ditto with a dual-tuner Freeview PVR. When you record from two different quadrants you can only view a third from the same two quadrants - ie you are denied about half the services. But on Freeview, the band is divided into something......
Apart from the use of an expression that I had never come across WRT either Freeview or Freesat. And I doubt if many others have either.
 

Trev

The Dumb One
God you're thick. Coining terms goes on all the time, how do you think you got the words you are using?
But most people explain WTF they are talking about when they do. AND often put it in the correct context. Unlike your post which had two references to Freeview receivers when you introduced your 'new' terminology that was actually a reference to Freesat transmissions.
Take that.
 

Black Hole

May contain traces of nut
most people explain WTF they are talking about when they do
I did, or at least I did to people who understand there are four combinations of two binary things (as you would if you followed my reference to the explanation in the glossary) and what the root of the word "quadrant" means. And it turns out this usage isn't new anyway.

two references to Freeview receivers
Yes, deliberately to highlight how the exclusions work, and how more limiting the exclusions are in the Freeview system compared with the Freesat system.

The satellite system is unavoidably divided into four mutually exclusive sections (ie quadrants!) by its very design. Freeview can have as many mutually exclusive sections as it likes (almost), so I don't know what to call them other than what we already call them: multiplexes.
 

Trev

The Dumb One
Of course I understand there are 'quadrants' associated with signals from a lot (not all) commercial satellite LNBS two of which are wholly due to receiver/LNB configuration and nothing to do with the actual transmission.
But your TWO references to Freeview in the same paragraph foolishly led me to believe that you were talking about Freeview, an thus the term 'quadrants did not compute' in my simple brain. and I was simply asking for an explanation.
 

grahamlthompson

Well-Known Member
Ditto (not a sat user), so please excuse any inaccuracies but this might help.

It is certainly a basic condition of satellite reception that (for a single LNB with a single downlink cable) you can only access one quarter of the channels at one time. A signal is sent to the LNB (up the same cable, by pulsing the power feed) to select which particular quarter. See Glossary (click) item "LNB" for more description.

However, the Foxsat has two antenna inputs, for a dual LNB. It should be the case that if one input is dedicated to a particular service in a particular quadrant, all the other services in that same quadrant are also available, and any services in one different quadrant are available through the other tuner.

Could it be that you don't have the second antenna input connected, or your dual LNB is only half working, or only one tuner in the Foxsat is working?

There is also a conflict between operating in Freesat and non-Freesat modes (making services available that are not on the Freesat list).

I'm sure a forum search (restricted to this section of the forum) will yield information.

Basic forum user guide here: Newbies' Guide to the Forum (click)

Incorrect - the true number is much larger.

This down to the very small number of High Band channels that are on the Freesat epg. For low band channels split by polarisation (horizontal or vertical). If you exclude the high band channels then for a Foxsat-Hdr operating in single cable mode (tuner 1 out to tuner 2 in connected).

All the following information can be downloaded in Excel format which make it very easy to identify the permutationsl - Link provided in the last post in this thread.

The tuner 1 current transponder determines if tuner 2 can use horizontal or vertically polarised channels

If tuner 1 is using a vertical transponder then tuner 2 can view/record the following (note some ITV channels will not be available due to the setup postcode used.

Currently around 109 channels

172QUEST12382HLBV
1​
103ITV10758VLBV
2​
113ITV210758VLBV
3​
117ITV410758VLBV
4​
118ITVBe10758VLBV
5​
154ITV4+110758VLBV
6​
602CITV10758VLBV
7​
977ITV London10758VLBV
8​
103ITV London10758VLBV
9​
103ITV Granada10758VLBV
10​
103ITV Anglia East10758VLBV
11​
103ITV Central West10758VLBV
12​
101BBC One W Mid10788VLBV
13​
201BBC Parliament10788VLBV
14​
703BBC Radio 310788VLBV
15​
704BBC Radio 4 FM10788VLBV
16​
707BBC 6Music10788VLBV
17​
708BBC Radio 4 Ex10788VLBV
18​
710BBC Radio 4 LW10788VLBV
19​
711BBC World Sv10788VLBV
20​
712BBC R Scotland10788VLBV
21​
713BBC RnGaidheal10788VLBV
22​
714BBC R Wales10788VLBV
23​
715BBC R Cymru10788VLBV
24​
716BBC R Ulster10788VLBV
25​
717BBCRadioFoyle10788VLBV
26​
952BBC One E Mid10788VLBV
27​
953BBC One East E10788VLBV
28​
963BBC One W Mid10788VLBV
29​
964BBC One Wales10788VLBV
30​
967BBC One Yk&Li10788VLBV
31​
971BBC Two Wales10788VLBV
32​
212BBC NEWS10817VLBV
33​
607CBBC10817VLBV
34​
957BBC One NI10817VLBV
35​
958BBC One Oxford10817VLBV
36​
961BBC One South10817VLBV
37​
962BBC One S West10817VLBV
38​
969BBC Two NI10817VLBV
39​
102BBC Two HD10847VLBV
40​
106BBC One HD10847VLBV
41​
600CBBC HD10847VLBV
42​
971BBC Two HD Wales10847VLBV
43​
972BBC One HD10847VLBV
44​
949BBC Two HD10847VLBV
45​
979BBC Two Wales10847VLBV
46​
978BBC One NI HD10847VLBV
47​
115ITV310906VLBV
48​
116ITV3+110906VLBV
49​
731talkSPORT10906VLBV
50​
112STV East + 110906VLBV
51​
103STV North10906VLBV
52​
103STV Central West10906VLBV
53​
103STV Central East10906VLBV
54​
112ITV Granada + 110906VLBV
55​
103ITV Channel TV10906VLBV
56​
121Channel 4 + 110936VLBV
57​
123E4 + 110936VLBV
58​
124More410936VLBV
59​
301Film4 + 110936VLBV
60​
975Channel 4 + 110936VLBV
61​
111STV HD11068VLBV
62​
111ITV HD11097VLBV
63​
111ITV London HD11097VLBV
64​
111ITV Granada HD11097VLBV
65​
111ITV Meridian South HD11097VLBV
66​
111ITV Central West HD11097VLBV
67​
111ITV HD Anglia East11097VLBV
68​
111ITV HD Yorkshire West11097VLBV
69​
1274seven11126VLBV
70​
206RT HD11225VLBV
71​
209NHKWORLD-JAPAN11225VLBV
72​
211CGTN11225VLBV
73​
214Arirang TV11225VLBV
74​
692Revelation11265VLBV
75​
142Sony Channel11306VLBV
76​
143Sony Channel+111306VLBV
77​
154true ent11306VLBV
78​
302Sony Movies11306VLBV
79​
303Sony Classic11306VLBV
80​
305Sony Action11306VLBV
81​
304Sony Classic +111306VLBV
82​
603POP11306VLBV
83​
605Tiny Pop11306VLBV
84​
604POP Max11306VLBV
85​
134CBS Drama11343VLBV
86​
136CBS Reality +111343VLBV
87​
139horror ch+111343VLBV
88​
135CBS Reality11343VLBV
89​
137CBS Justice11343VLBV
90​
138horror channel11343VLBV
91​
305Movies4Men +111343VLBV
92​
156YourTV11343VLBV
93​
693ISLAM CHANNEL11390VLBV
94​
695Sonlife TV11390VLBV
95​
120S4C HD11426VLBV
96​
143Sony Crime 211426VLBV
97​
167QUEST HD11426VLBV
98​
205FRANCE 24(ENG)11426VLBV
99​
252FreeSports HD11426VLBV
100​
210CNBC11479VLBV
101​
215TRT World11508VLBV
102​
175SMITHSONIAN HD11508VLBV
103​
306TalkingPics TV11538VLBV
104​
694GOD Channel11567VLBV
105​
171YANGA!11597VLBV
106​
695Sonlife TV11597VLBV
107​
809TJC11597VLBV
108​
208Bloomberg TV11685VLBV
109​


For horizontally polarised channels the number is a little larger at 128 channels

104Channel 410714HLBH
1​
122E4 + 110714HLBH
2​
125More4 + 110714HLBH
3​
300Film410714HLBH
4​
974Channel 410714HLBH
5​
173BBC Four10773HLBH
6​
110BBC Four10773HLBH
7​
608Cbeebies10773HLBH
8​
949BBC Two HD10773HLBH
9​
950BBC One Lon10773HLBH
10​
951BBC One CI10773HLBH
11​
954BBC One East W10773HLBH
12​
965BBC One West10773HLBH
13​
968BBC Two Eng10773HLBH
14​
981BBC RB 110773HLBH
15​
109BBC ALBA10802HLBH
16​
174BBC Scotland HD10802HLBH
17​
700BBC Radio 110802HLBH
18​
701BBC Radio 1X10802HLBH
19​
702BBC Radio 210802HLBH
20​
705BBC Radio 5L10802HLBH
21​
706BBC Radio 5SX10802HLBH
22​
709BBC Asian Net10802HLBH
23​
735BBC R Cymru 210802HLBH
24​
955BBC One N West10802HLBH
25​
956BBC One NE&C10802HLBH
26​
959BBC One S East10802HLBH
27​
960BBC One Scot10802HLBH
28​
966BBC One Yorks10802HLBH
29​
970BBC Two Scot10802HLBH
30​
112ITV +1 West10832HLBH
31​
112ITV +1 Wales10832HLBH
32​
112ITV Anglia East +110832HLBH
33​
103ITV Wales10832HLBH
34​
103ITV West10832HLBH
35​
103ITV West Country South10832HLBH
36​
112ITV +110891HLBH
37​
114ITV2+110891HLBH
38​
119ITVBe+110891HLBH
39​
112ITV West Country + 110891HLBH
40​
112ITV Central West + 110891HLBH
41​
112ITV London + 110891HLBH
42​
103ITV Meridian TV South10891HLBH
43​
103ITV Tyne Tees TV North10891HLBH
44​
103ITV Yorkshire West10891HLBH
45​
103ITV Border10891HLBH
46​
105Channel 5 HD10964HLBH
47​
128Channel 5 +110964HLBH
48​
1295 USA10964HLBH
49​
1305 USA +110964HLBH
50​
132Paramount10964HLBH
51​
1315STAR10964HLBH
52​
133My510964HLBH
53​
1415Spike10964HLBH
54​
112ITV Tyne Tees10994HLBH
55​
103ITV Central East10994HLBH
56​
103ITV Border Scotland10994HLBH
57​
112ITV Yorkshire TV East +110994HLBH
58​
103ITV Mediian TV North10994HLBH
59​
103ITV Anglia TV West10994HLBH
60​
103ITV Yorkshire TV East10994HLBH
61​
107BBC Four HD11023HLBH
62​
108BBC Scotland HD11023HLBH
63​
200BBC NEWS HD11023HLBH
64​
601CBeebies HD11023HLBH
65​
973BBC One ScotHD11023HLBH
66​
976BBC One Wal HD11023HLBH
67​
119ITV HD (Tyne Tees)11053HLBH
68​
162BLAZE11082HLBH
69​
203Al Jazeera Eng11082HLBH
70​
207CNN11082HLBH
71​
516Spotlight TV11082HLBH
72​
690Inspiration TV11082HLBH
73​
807JewelleryMaker11082HLBH
74​
140BET11141HLBH
75​
724Absolute11223HLBH
76​
726Absolute 80s11223HLBH
77​
733Heart11223HLBH
78​
786BFBS Radio11223HLBH
79​
691DAYSTAR TV11263HLBH
80​
501STARZ11306HLBH
81​
155PBS America11344HLBH
82​
160Really12129VLBH
83​
166HGTV12129VLBH
84​
139horror ch+111389HLBH
85​
999freesat info11427HLBH
86​
801QVC Beauty11493HLBH
87​
802QVC Extra11493HLBH
88​
803QVC Style11493HLBH
89​
800QVC11493HLBH
90​
171YANGA!11552HLBH
91​
176Live 36011552HLBH
92​
719Capital11552HLBH
93​
720Capital XTRA11552HLBH
94​
721Classic FM11552HLBH
95​
722Gold11552HLBH
96​
723Radio X11552HLBH
97​
730PlanetRock11552HLBH
98​
732Smooth RadioUK11552HLBH
99​
736Virgin Radio11552HLBH
100​
750RTE Radio 111552HLBH
101​
751RTE 2fm11552HLBH
102​
752RTE Lyric fm11552HLBH
103​
753RTE RnaG11552HLBH
104​
790TWR11552HLBH
105​
805Gems TV11552HLBH
106​
817Hochanda11552HLBH
107​
724Absolute11582HLBH
108​
726Absolute 80's11582HLBH
109​
733Heart11582HLBH
110​
734LBC11582HLBH
111​
786BFBS Radio11582HLBH
112​
691DAYSTAR TV HD11612HLBH
113​
812IDEAL WORLD11667HLBH
114​
813CREAT&CRAFT11667HLBH
115​
146Challenge11836HHBH
116​
147Challenge +111836HHBH
117​
150DMAX11836HHBH
118​
151DMAX +111836HHBH
119​
165Forces TV11836HHBH
120​
144Pick12070HHBH
121​
145Pick + 112070HHBH
122​
202Sky News12207HHBH
123​
148Food Network12382HHBH
124​
149Food Network +112382HHBH
125​
168QUEST +112382HHBH
126​
169QUEST RED +112382HHBH
127​
170QUEST RED12382HHBH
128​

For completion total number of high band channels is just 18 channels

146Challenge11836HHBH
1​
147Challenge +111836HHBH
2​
150DMAX11836HHBH
3​
151DMAX +111836HHBH
4​
165Forces TV11836HHBH
5​
144Pick12070HHBH
6​
145Pick + 112070HHBH
7​
202Sky News12207HHBH
8​
148Food Network12382HHBH
9​
149Food Network +112382HHBH
10​
168QUEST +112382HHBH
11​
169QUEST RED +112382HHBH
12​
170QUEST RED12382HHBH
13​
691DAYSTAR TV HD11685VHBV
14​
157Dave12129VHBV
15​
158Drama12129VHBV
16​
159Yesterday12129VHBV
17​
164Together TV12207VHBV
18​
 

Black Hole

May contain traces of nut
...so basically if you want to simultaneously record (say) Pick and Dave, you're very limited what you can watch as a third service. Ha!
 

grahamlthompson

Well-Known Member
...so basically if you want to simultaneously record (say) Pick and Dave, you're very limited what you can watch as a third service. Ha!

What a pathetic post. There is also Freeview,

No one has suggested using a single cable gives you all possible combinations. Just that your total ignorance of the real situation is frankly totally ignorant, flawed and for many thousands stuck with a single cable a more than acceptable solution. It also says a hell of a lot of your choice of viewing. It's clear you are now desperately looking for a for a face saving stupid post for a recorder that at best can only record 3 even with two seperate feeds. 25% of the channels is complete rubbish. It's 100% clear you have no idea as what the limitations are in respect of using a single cable with a a twin tuner satellite pvr or a second single tuner non recording freesat tuner. MY Foxsat-HDR records virtually nothing. The tuner 1 out is used to feed A Freesat TV. If i needed it could record to usb drive or for all channel live viewing. I don't because I have two twin channel Freesat+ pvrs that have the full recording capability. Turning on the TV gives live viewing of any freesat channel (and recording should I need it).

18 channels out of a potential 108 is pathetic compared to your 25% That excludes the +1 channels

I can't say I have used either channel for for a very long time.


You have sunk to a new low in my opinion.

If it helps others, the new Arris box when the recordable built in HDD recorder arrives that can use a wideband LNB (which from your total ignorance) I doubt you even have a clue how it works). Should be able to record most all possible combinations.

 
Last edited:

Black Hole

May contain traces of nut
:disagree:

There is also Freeview,
This is about Freesat and a Foxsat. I only drew a comparison with Freeview.

If it helps others, the new Arris box when the recordable built in HDD recorder arrives that can use a wideband LNB
What has that to do with a discussion about what restrictions apply to a third service on a Foxsat?

You have clearly totally misread my posts. I'm out.
 
Top