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Does the BBC News at Six O'clock usually run over by more than two minutes!

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gigaday

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Several times, even more often than not, this happens and the Six O'clock News runs over into the following program (South Today), which then starts late.

The programme (which I record every day) starts on time with the blue half moon and then Sophie Raworth (often) and it shows that it is going to run for 30 minutes, but the 30 minutes are often up before the weather forecast. This means that the programme is fairly consistently more than 30 minutes by at least 2 minutes.

This cannot be correct - and similar timing errors occur on several other programmes too. The time on the clock in Settings is correct but many recordings are cut off early. I have added 10 minutes to the finish times in Settings to try to fix this, but it is only a partial fix because when the a following programme starts at the correct time it has the end of the previous programme recorded at its start. Which would appear to mean that LOTS of programmes are running late.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Tony
 
It is correct. The schedule doesn't run to the second or even the minute. The granularity on most channels is 5 minutes. Here's the data for the 18:30 programmes for the last 6 weeks or so (times are UTC):
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10/07 17:31:43
10/08 17:32:51
10/09 17:32:16
10/10 17:32:31
10/11 17:31:50
10/14 17:32:05
10/15 17:32:46
10/16 17:31:33
10/17 17:30:49
10/18 17:31:21
10/21 17:31:42
10/22 17:32:22
10/23 17:32:00
10/24 17:31:32
10/25 17:31:30
10/28 18:31:00
10/29 18:32:08
10/30 18:32:48
10/31 18:31:26
11/01 18:32:33
11/04 18:32:46
11/05 18:32:49
11/06 18:41:00 (Short programme due to US Election results)
11/07 18:31:52
11/08 18:32:10
11/11 18:31:37
11/12 18:31:23
11/13 18:32:00
11/14 18:32:49
11/15 18:31:37
11/18 18:31:38
11/19 18:32:03
11/20 18:32:20

You should use Accurate Record functionality rather than fixed timers, which (in most cases) should track the actual broadcast times as above.
 
I have used the automatic settings for recording start/stop for several years and very rarely have had any issues.

I would suggest that you do not use fixed padding as it will inevitably cause problems, as you are finding.

I even have a string of 4 consecutive programmes on BBC2 every Monday at the moment and the recordings consistently start at the actual beginning of the programmes, regardless of the actual time.
 
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You should use Accurate Record functionality rather than fixed timers, which (in most cases) should track the actual broadcast times as above.
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How do I do this? I think I read somewhere that the FVP-5000T automatically adjusts for late starts etc.
 
A1944 said:
I have used the automatic settings for recording start/stop for several years and very rarely have had any issues.

I would suggest that you do not use fixed padding as it will inevitably cause problems, as you are finding.

I even have a string of 4 consecutive programmes on BBC2 every Monday at the moment and the recordings consistently start at the actual beginning of the programmes, regardless of the actual time.
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My box, as often as not, does cut off the ends of programmes, although I thought the automatic adjustment should have taken care of that.

You say "I have used the automatic settings for recording start/stop for several years" - how do you do this? I must be missing a setting.
 
gigaday said:
I was using Accurate Recording until my box started cutting off the ends of many programmes.
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On which services?
The main services all work properly with AR (well, most of the time).
The minor ones don't give a sh!t and just trigger the start signals as per the schedule without caring when they actually start the programme.
I'm afraid that on your unit, you can't be selective about which services to use AR on and which to use Padding on.
 
prpr: thanks for your input.

I just use the main programmes on the two first screens of the Guide mostly. Yes, it would have been useful if one could have both AR and Padding, but the developers didn't think about that it would seem.

I will just have to work with what I have and hope that if/when I upgrade these things are better.
 
gigaday said:
the software developers could have done what they wanted/were told to.
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It doesn't work like that. To use branding such as "Freeview+" or "Freeview Play", units have to conform to specification and are not allowed to do their own thing.
 
I never found AR to be satisfactory, despite others saying they have no problems with it.

So I record with 5 minutes padding each end, and for the case mentioned use BBC1 News HD, BBC South SD and One Show HD to get the overlaps. Then I'm not concerned if there is a couple of minutes overrun.
 
gigaday said:
My box, as often as not, does cut off the ends of programmes, although I thought the automatic adjustment should have taken care of that.

You say "I have used the automatic settings for recording start/stop for several years" - how do you do this? I must be missing a setting.
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I am talking about the settings in “PVR Settings/Recording Options”. I have both Start Padding Time and End Padding Time set to Auto. (See also Post 6)

I am assuming this what others are referring to as AR.

Edit: The accuracy of the start/stop on auto may not be so good on some of the lesser channels where the staff may not be too careful with the signals. I mainly use BBC and Ch5 where they seem OK.
 
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