The list of certified devices at https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/questions/supported-devices/humax doesn't include the FVP-5000T but it does include the FVP-4000T which has very similar hardware to the FVP-5000T and runs the same software. Humax advertising at https://uk.humaxdigital.com/product/fvp-5000t/ certainly includes iPlayer.
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FVP-5000T iPlayer VERY slow
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Black Hole
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Oohh... smoking gun!
prpr
Well-Known Member
There is no DRM on HiDef for the media streams. They are transmitted in the clear. It's only the EPG that is encrypted, which I would have thought is of limited use to any potential pirate, and long-since cracked anyway.
The encrypting of the video and audio on to disk on commercially produced boxes is therefore just stupid. You can record what you like unencrypted fairly trivially on a Raspberry Pi with a £7 DVB-T add-on.
Black Hole
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"Until 30th October" – but which year?! It's hardly moot if BBC were supposed to be supporting iPlayer on HD-FOX but weren't.
Sure, but I'm talking about the difference between a casual consumer and an enthusiast. Casual consumers are not likely to be cobbling together kit which can rip direct from broadcast, and off-the-shelf kit is beholden to the licensing. The aim, surely, is to stop casual consumers becoming pirates.
EEPhil
Number 28
I'm fairly sure there was a recording licence that could be bought (1980s?) that was supposed to allow personal use. Can't be sure who issued it.BPI? Probably a scam, but my father fell for it and got a licence for at least one year. I can't find any record of such a licence on my brief web search.
For BBC stuff, get_iplayer or YTD can be your friend - and it often, but not always, gets rid of the end-credit squeeze and the gobby announcer.
Sometimes I'd like any reasonable copy of a programme. StdDef will do. What happens if I ever get a large screen TV - I don't know.
EEPhil
Number 28
Wouldn't you require a DVB-T2 add on for HiDef?
prpr
Well-Known Member
They are not likely to become the latter in the first place, any more than they are likely to be cobbling kit together to do so.
It does both. It's slightly unhelpfully named.
I'm not sure sure I have done the quoting right so please forgive me.
Black Hole said:
My reply:
When I said "They denied that the FVP-5000T had any problem and said that it was certified to run with iPlayer" the was was in bold for emphasis - ie the Humax team were assuring me that the FVP-5000T is still certified, not that it used to be.
My box is only 3 years old - that's not old technology by anyone's standards. Suppliers are (I think by law) be required to maintain what they sell for much longer than 3 years. The problem is that neither BBC iPlayer nor Humax are prepared to take responsibility for what they have supplied. The BBC team have said that my box is not certified by them and Humax have refused to speak to even the iPlayer team - I did ask them to!
This is entirely a software problem in my opinion that could be fixed by either Humax updating their firmware properly or the BBC team updating their iPlayer app. Both of these remedies are within their remit and I would think not be beyond their capability to do - but they won't - and Humax won't even talk to the iPlayer team.
To say "It did what it was supposed to do when sold, and for a reasonable time thereafter. No third-party manufacturer can accept responsibility for standards changes outside their control." is not true as they are making no effort for a piece of kit that is less than 3 years old, which I would say ids not a "reasonable time thereafter" - so it is not a fair comment.
Tony
Black Hole said:
So pretty much what I said then. "Not certified" means limited capability no longer able to keep up. "Was" is true – it was iPlayer-capable in the past. And why would you expect any manufacturer to expend effort and cost revising an obsolete unit? It did what it was supposed to do when sold, and for a reasonable time thereafter. No third-party manufacturer can accept responsibility for standards changes outside their control.
My reply:
When I said "They denied that the FVP-5000T had any problem and said that it was certified to run with iPlayer" the was was in bold for emphasis - ie the Humax team were assuring me that the FVP-5000T is still certified, not that it used to be.
My box is only 3 years old - that's not old technology by anyone's standards. Suppliers are (I think by law) be required to maintain what they sell for much longer than 3 years. The problem is that neither BBC iPlayer nor Humax are prepared to take responsibility for what they have supplied. The BBC team have said that my box is not certified by them and Humax have refused to speak to even the iPlayer team - I did ask them to!
This is entirely a software problem in my opinion that could be fixed by either Humax updating their firmware properly or the BBC team updating their iPlayer app. Both of these remedies are within their remit and I would think not be beyond their capability to do - but they won't - and Humax won't even talk to the iPlayer team.
To say "It did what it was supposed to do when sold, and for a reasonable time thereafter. No third-party manufacturer can accept responsibility for standards changes outside their control." is not true as they are making no effort for a piece of kit that is less than 3 years old, which I would say ids not a "reasonable time thereafter" - so it is not a fair comment.
Tony
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