Humax FHR-6000T Will this need its own listing in the forum? ( Now named the Aura EZ 4K Freely Recorder)

Absolutely not. It was only ever going to be via the aerial.

RS are going to have to re-write their description.
 
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What would be ideal is custom firmware that allows the Freely streams to be recorded. But the chances of that are remote.
 
Now we just need to know how good it is, just hope it isn't like the Aura I bought a couple of years ago and is full of clitches 😡
 
Owen Smith said:
What would be ideal is custom firmware that allows the Freely streams to be recorded. But the chances of that are remote.
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Perhaps not impossible if things are not completely tied down. Someone might be able to produce an app. It couldn't be loaded through official channels as you probably need to obtain decryption keys using some dubious tricks- it would have to be side loaded. Very good way to get malware on the device.

So, in my opinion:
Through official channels - zero to very remote.
Unofficial channels - remote to possible & dangerous.
 
EEPhil said:
Perhaps not impossible if things are not completely tied down. Someone might be able to produce an app. It couldn't be loaded through official channels as you probably need to obtain decryption keys using some dubious tricks- it would have to be side loaded. Very good way to get malware on the device.
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I was thinking more along the lines of the HDR Fox T2 custom firmware model. But that was only possible because the signing of firmware downloads was reverse engineered so that we can produce something that the box will accept as a firmware update over USB. I believe Humax learned their lesson on that and tightened up the security on later models (probably switching from symmetric signing to public/private key signing though I have no information).
 
Richchad said:
Now we just need to know how good it is, just hope it isn't like the Aura I bought a couple of years ago and is full of clitches 😡
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The fact that its OS is Android 12 rather than anything more up to date suggests to me that much of it may just be old tech from an Aura rather than a totally new piece of kit.
 
trog said:
The fact that its OS is Android 12 rather than anything more up to date suggests to me that much of it may just be old tech from an Aura rather than a totally new piece of kit.
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Well indeed, why would it need new hardware? The Aura can already record Freeview HD and has an internet connection, so in hardware terms what more would you need to add Freely streaming?
 
Brian said:
Did you expect anything else? 🤔
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I never have.

Me from page 1 of this thread September 27th "I am pretty certain it will only record freeview and pray that it is not just a problem riddled Aura with Freely strapped onto it in a new box."
 
Owen Smith said:
I was thinking more along the lines of the HDR Fox T2 custom firmware model.
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It's nothing like that. We're not intercepting anything in the HDR-FOX+CF, all we are doing is removing the DRM on files which are already in the file system. Supposing you could add some user apps, and perhaps even access recorded files (Android is sandboxed), and maybe even remove the DRM... how do you persuade a streaming app to make the recording in the first place, when it doesn't have that functionality?

It seems to me the likes of yt-dl would be the most likely approach, with a team of enthusiasts cracking the access mechanisms at the server, and running on a general purpose computer rather than confined to running in a locked-down environment like an STB.

Or the simple way: an HDMI capture device.
 
Owen Smith said:
Well indeed, why would it need new hardware? The Aura can already record Freeview HD and has an internet connection, so in hardware terms what more would you need to add Freely streaming?
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Ask Humax why they are promising to update the Aura from Android 9 to Android 14 if it is so pointless.
 
trog said:
Ask Humax why they are promising to update the Aura from Android 9 to Android 14 if it is so pointless.
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I said nothing about updating the version of Android. All I said was why would a Freely box need updated hardware compared to Aura?
 
Black Hole said:
We're not intercepting anything in the HDR-FOX+CF, all we are doing is removing the DRM on files which are already in the file system. Supposing you could add some user apps, and perhaps even access recorded files (Android is sandboxed), and maybe even remove the DRM... how do you persuade a streaming app to make the recording in the first place, when it doesn't have that functionality?
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Not entirely true, we do intercept some things in the HDR Fox T2. Wasn't there a way of saving the last thing played with BBC iPlayer, when it still worked?

A streaming App will be making a recording of sorts, because all streams are buffered somewhere to cope with network vagaries. Maybe it's on hard disc and maybe it's in RAM or Flash but the buffer will be in there somewhere. If it can be grabbed while streaming is in progress then a recording can be produced. Then you need a mechanism to start a recording from a stream, but if you can trigger one in firmware it can be connected to something like the RS server.

If a youtube-dl approach becomes possible then we could run it on the HDR Fox T2 for playing HD and lower res content...
 
trog said:
For the same reason people use a calculator rather than an abacus.
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There comes a point where the hardware is capable enough to do what you need. Some of the time you change the hardware because components are becoming unavailable, not because they no longer do the job. Then there's changing the hardware to make the product cheaper, not better. Humax may have decided there is no benefit in changing the Aura hardware for Freely, at which point doing so becomes a cost for no benefit.
 
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There comes a point where the hardware is capable enough to do what you need. Some of the time you change the hardware because components are becoming unavailable, not because they no longer do the job. Then there's changing the hardware to make the product cheaper, not better. Humax may have decided there is no benefit in changing the Aura hardware for Freely, at which point doing so becomes a cost for no benefit.
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For one thing the power supply needs to be updated, do you even own an Aura? are you even aware of the many issues it has had or are you once again just looking to pick a fight ?
 
They could always have updated the hardware to use newer cheaper chips that do the same function as the chips in the previous model. Doesn't mean they need to change the software, just add another module that deals with the Freely stream.
 
trog said:
For one thing the power supply needs to be updated, do you even own an Aura? are you even aware of the many issues it has had or are you once again just looking to pick a fight ?
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No I do not own an Aura. But why on earth do you think I'm trying to pick a fight? I'm just pointing out Humax may have decided there was no need to change the hardware. Note that's Humax's view of the hardware, not yours or anyone else on hummy.tv. Maybe Humax have a load of Auras in a warehouse that they're desperate to sell so it was deliberate policy to just add Freely firmware and rebadge the already built and paid for hardware?
 
" Maybe Humax have a load of Auras in a warehouse that they're desperate to sell so it was deliberate policy to just add Freely firmware and rebadge the already built and paid for hardware?"

And as the Aura has been riddled with issues from its day of release some of which continue to be the case even now I feel there is enough need for them to not make the same mistakes again by using what has already proven to be sub par hardware and software. Just my opinion and you can disagree if you want to. Nuff said.
 
trog said:
And as the Aura has been riddled with issues from its day of release some of which continue to be the case even now I feel there is enough need for them to not make the same mistakes again by using what has already proven to be sub par hardware and software. Just my opinion and you can disagree if you want to.
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The point is not whether I disagree, it is whether Humax disagree.
 
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