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Stuck at START SYSTEM even with no hard disc

Owen Smith said:
Boxes that only see one region probably set the same thing automatically. I wonder where that setting is stored in the Humax?
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I'm not sure it is, I think RS deduces it from the mux list. So far as I can see, the region is only relevant to RS deciding whether to use your EPG data as a contribution to the overall RS EPG cache. The view of the EPG RS presents for any particular registered 'Fox is dictated by the relevant channel list.
 
Black Hole said:
I'm not sure it is, I think RS deduces it from the mux list.
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I had muxes manually tuned, I got the tuner up first because there was something I wanted to record. Then I had time so I put in the USB stick to put custom firmware 3.13 on. Then it was time for the recording so I let it record that while I had dinner, and then after the recording I did fix-flash-packages which restored the packages. This being a transplanted hard disc from the dead box the disc portions were all still there. RS had to be registered though because it's a different box.

So there were definitely manually tuned muxes at the time I first registered this new box with RS, yet it didn't set the region in RS.
Black Hole said:
So far as I can see, the region is only relevant to RS deciding whether to use your EPG data as a contribution to the overall RS EPG cache. The view of the EPG RS presents for any particular registered 'Fox is dictated by the relevant channel list.
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I didn't want to take the risk of strange behaviour. You believe that is all the region setting does, but you don't sound 100% certain. I decided better safe than sorry.
 
Black Hole said:
So far as I can see, the region is only relevant to RS deciding whether to use your EPG data as a contribution to the overall RS EPG cache.
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Not even that. It'll use the Network ID.
Owen Smith said:
I wonder how many boxes have been moved over the years and are still reporting their old region to RS?
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Not many because you need to retune to get it to work properly or even at all.
 
prpr said:
Not many because you need to retune to get it to work properly or even at all.
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But unless you de-register the box from RS and then re-register it, RS will still see the box as being in its old region when it was first registered. I did a full auto tune and it did not fix my RS region even after the schedule sync'd.
 
Something annoying I've found with this new vertical tuners HDR Fox T2: if I have custom firmware reboot the box, it never manages to tune into a channel after the reboot. It always claims the signal is scrambled or some such, I forget the exact wording but it's what happens when the box loses its encryption key I believe. If I put the box into standby and bring it out again then it is fine. This might sound trivial but it means I daren't use the RS feature Schedule Reboot as the box will then be stuck in a state where it can't receive anything until it goes back into standby. OK at 4:20am but not necessarily OK if you're trying to schedule a last minute recording.

Is this a common feature of vertical tuners boxes? I wouldn't know as it is the only one I own, but I've never seen this with the 4 horizontal tuners boxes I've used. One thing is for sure, given this behaviour and the different power supply if I buy any HDR Fox T2s on eBay I'll be avoiding vertical tuners boxes. I'm using this one because I have it but that doesn't mean I like it.
 
Black Hole said:
No. Encryption keys are not involved in live reception.
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It did seem odd to me, I agree they shouldn't be involved. Is the timeshift buffer not encrypted for HD channels? The box has definitely lost something though and putting it into standby and coming back out fixes it.

I had a quick look on eBay. There are a hell of a lot of HDR Fox T2s for sale for quite reasonable prices, and looking at the front panel VFDs being quite bright (even with the orange filter present) and the lack of wear on the remote buttons shows many of them haven't had much use. Every single one that shows the rear panel has horizontal tuners so it looks like vertical tuners are in the minority. I think I'm safe for future supply without even needing to buy one. It wasn't like this just over 10 years ago when Humax discontinued the HDR Fox T2 and I bought my spare boxes, no-one was selling them second hand.
 
Owen Smith said:
Is the timeshift buffer not encrypted for HD channels?
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It's encrypted whether HiDef or StDef, but it doesn't matter what the key is so long as the same key is used for decryption as encryption! The "scrambled" message is what you get trying to play a recording with the wrong key.
 
Turns out the "No Signal" on a soft reboot with vertical tuners has been reported before by @everthewatcher. I think for now we should assume it is common to all vertical tuner boxes until we see some counter examples (which since they're working probably no-one will report, why would they).

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Post in thread 'What To Do with a Dead or Unwanted HDR-FOX, HD-FOX, or DTR-T1000/1010'

everthewatcher said:
The V2/REVised units seem to be pretty rare - I was lucky to find one on eBay when I bought my first. I wonder how many were produced compared to the V1/original.

FWIW the V2 will almost always claim 'No signal' after a soft reboot. Could this be linked to the issue 9200_fan has or is it the same on V1 units?
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Aha it's not just my newly pulled out of the loft and pressed into service vertical tuners box that does the "No signal" after a soft reboot. I think with two reports we should assume they all do this until proven otherwise. My desire to avoid any more vertical tuners boxes...
 
I recently had a similar event to this post. One of my HDR’s stuck at Start System. A few restarts, over a time period and disconnecting the drive made no difference.

I had a dilemma and I’ve no idea why I thought of trying to re-install the custom firmware, after all the USB pen drive was next to the humax and had the custom firmware thereon.
The humax started downloading and eventually had completed.
I removed the USB and restarted the box and after the normal start up sequence, everything was as though nothing had earlier happened.
Over the next few days the recovery was okay. I’ve recently been away from home for six days and feared that when I switched on the box from a cold start that the problem may re-appear. I’m pleased to say that was not the case and all was still well.

I have also since updated the custom firmware from 3.13 to 3.14 without issue.
I’ve no idea if re-installing the custom firmware did the trick or whether it was just a co-incidence.

Horizontal aerial connections.
 
Interesting and thanks for reporting. The only thing I can think of is some flash location was not reading correctly and reprogramming fixed it. Flash doesn't hold its contents forever, what I don't know is whether reading it frequently slows down or accelerates that wear. It might differ for NAND vs NOR flash too.
 
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