Assume v. Presume

[Trev]

You mean as in I have roasted the beef, and now it's roast beef? I'll go along with that. But 'roasted beef' does not sound right to me.

 

[af123]

You mean as in I have roasted the beef, and now it's roast beef? I'll go along with that. But 'roasted beef' does not sound right to me.

Yep, that's what she said.

 

[gomezz]

Surely it is the term "roast potatoes" which is out of step? We do not speak of "fry potatoes" or "boil potatoes".

 

[Trev]

Is not the English language littered with 'anomalies' such as that?

 

[Black Hole]

Of course it is. "Roast" is most definitely the adjective form of having roasted something, and it is the marketeers (and other illiterates) who have decided "roasted" (as an adjective) sounds more up-market.

I will roast these potatoes (future)
I am roasting these potatoes (present)
I have roasted these potatoes (past transitive)
These potatoes have been roasted (past intransitive)
These are roast potatoes (adjective)

I don't know how far that goes back historically, maybe "roasted" as an adjective was the norm for Sam Pepys or whoever. I'm sure somebody will say...

I really need to gen up on definitions of grammar - what "future perfect" is, for example!

 

[Trev]

It's a miscreant from Star Wars.

 

[Black Hole]

There's a chap on Breakfast talking about the aurora, and according to the caption he's an "astornomer".

 

[prpr]

I saw "not concious" on something the other day.

 

[gomezz]

There's a chap on Breakfast talking about the aurora, and according to the caption he's an "astornomer".

Talking a load of borealis was he?

 

[Black Hole]

There is no lead in a pencil

 

[Trev]

Is that a bald statement of fact, or are you trying to humour us?

 

[Black Hole]

I posed it for people to pick the bones out of it.

 

[prpr]

"Paul Daniels dies"
"Paul Daniel's nephew"

Ignorant journalists.

 

[Black Hole]

That's awful. I suspect it is less to do with the journalist and more to do with the auto-corrector... Okay, it's the journalist.

 

[prpr]

And in a similar vein from the Property Communications Manager of Sainsbury's:

"We’re pleased that the Court has robustly dismissed Bristol Rover’s appeal..."

 

[Black Hole]

Ah, miss-read. I read it as was doing recording just to purposely stop the housekeeping.

Who's Miss Read? Trev Miss Wrote.

 

[Trev]

Her first name is Good, like this forum

 

[Black Hole]

I wonder why nobody is making use of the facilities?! There's a bowling green in the background as well.

 

[Trev]

Is that for real?

 

[Wallace]

Looks a bit of a wind-up to me.

Very, 'That's Life'.