Owen Smith
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I hardly think loss of Red Button counts as genuinely evil.
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BBC red button teletext
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Black Hole
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Perhaps, but why are you so vociferous in advocating inaction? You might choose not to act yourself, but I see no purpose in persuading everyone else to be the same.
Owen Smith
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Why are you so vociferous in advocating action? We're basically proposing the opposite view, neither of which standpoint is morally more right than the other.
I just don't want people to waste their time. This is a done deal. Red Button is on life support on the BBC and will be quietly switched off when they think no one is looking, many new TVs don't support it, and all the other broadcasters have stopped their Red Button service already. Fight the battles that are worth fighting, nothing is going to change the outcome here.
Analogue TV Teletext services (BBC Ceefax, ITV Oracle/Teletext Ltd) were pretty revolutionary in providing information to the Public (and Trade) in an era (1974-75 onwards) where there was no other way so universally available.
(Fax, ticker tape news feeds, telegrams and voice telephony being the alternatives?).
I seriously can't remember the last time I pressed the Red Button (for either MHEG or HbbTV). I have other ways, via the interweb, to get the information contained therein. {Even for the alternative video streams iPlayer can be called up directly on the TV or other devices as suits.} The EPG replaces the TV listing pages too.
Any complaint will just get a template letter response. But they will be logged and presented to 'The Management' of the BBC. They sometimes made very interesting reading when I had access.
(Fax, ticker tape news feeds, telegrams and voice telephony being the alternatives?).
I seriously can't remember the last time I pressed the Red Button (for either MHEG or HbbTV). I have other ways, via the interweb, to get the information contained therein. {Even for the alternative video streams iPlayer can be called up directly on the TV or other devices as suits.} The EPG replaces the TV listing pages too.
Any complaint will just get a template letter response. But they will be logged and presented to 'The Management' of the BBC. They sometimes made very interesting reading when I had access.
EEPhil
Number 28
True of BBC, ITV and C5 in my experience. If you're really unfortunate they add "no one else has complained". (Almost the Post Office Horizon defence)
It's not even something Ofcom could deal with. Even if it could, they are as effective as a chocolate teapot.
Black Hole
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Because you are! Anyway, your position is nihilistic. "You won't achieve anything so don't try" is not the same as "I don't believe the outcome would be to anyone's advantage even if you succeeded".
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Owen Smith
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I'd rather the time was spent complaining about something that might actually get fixed or improved. For example complaining that iPlayer HD is in 720p when it ought to be 1080p, or complaining that no iPlayer service (SD, HD or 4K) has 5.1 sound even when the same thing broadcast on Freeview HD did. There is a non zero chance of actually getting some improvements there.
Your argument assumes we all have infinite time and might as well complain even when there is absolutely zero chance of a change. Maybe you have infinite time, I do not.
It is 1080p on compatible devices - as is UHD in the "trial".
That's been discussed and explained (almost ad nauseum, here and elsewhere).
BBC simply have higher expenditure and development priorities (as much as I'd also like iPlayer to be 5.1 surround sound system viewers are still in a relative minority). It'll happen eventually I expect. Possibly about the same time as UHD is out of the trial phase?
prpr
Well-Known Member
What defines a compatible device?
Surely any device which has current support can do 1080, so why not serve that to all?
I don't believe the outcome of this conversation would be to anyone's advantage even if you succeeded in getting the last word yet here we are once again.
Or when 8K Ultra HD is common place everywhere else and people with 5.1 have already moved to 7.1 7.2 or even 9.1 or 9.2. BBC will always be a dinosaur playing catch up and that is the reason they still have red button text when everyone else has moved on.