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MikeSh said:
Not really. The first one is a policy paper ...; the second is one of the 'current and coming' pages.
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That's interesting. When I started my previous contribution (#682), Mike0001's message at #681 just said "Two contradictory web pages!". Then after I quoted it there was something extra added (something about vehicles over £40000 iirc). Now that has disappeared again. So I think he had altered it realising there was something wrong. It appears he changed his mind again.:confused:
 
The difference in ved between a noxious fumes spewing diesel vw polo and a hybrid is marginal, £10 a year. Yet the polo pollutes as much as a lorry. What was that government thinking? It isn't all down to revenue decreasing, more like the incompetent way co2 targets were assumed to be met, wiyhout checking resl world pollution levels, then basing ved on those flawed measures.

If we achieve anything from Brexit, perhaps banning of diesel imports from the EU may be it.
 
Mike0001 said:
The difference in ved between a noxious fumes spewing diesel vw polo and a hybrid is marginal, £10 a year.
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Yes. The fuel consumption of hybrids is better than equivalent performing simple ICE, but not hugely. The £130/£140 is just tax - period. The CO2 tax element is now effectively in what you pay for the fuel, which is what people have been asking for for years.

Mike0001 said:
Yet the polo pollutes as much as a lorry.
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I think your credibility just went out the tailpipe :whistling:
 
Mike0001 said:
I think maybe yours did?

http://road.cc/content/news/218520-which-hugely-popular-small-car-more-polluting-fully-laden-lorry
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That headline is wrong. The article quotes tfl saying "Its emissions of 1.2 grams of NO2 per kilometre were the same as a fully laden diesel truck with a 13-litre engine that we also tested."
So it isn't more polluting. On the single measure of NO2 it has the same pollution, and although it's flavour of the month I don't see NO2 as being the only measure of pollution - that has to be a cocktail of emissions.
 
But that is the latest stupid bandwagon to jump onto and cast all kinds of miss-information about. Just like CO2 was a few years ago, costing the tax payers £zillions.

The BBC this morning had an 'article' on NOx which sort of implied that the 1952 Great Smog was caused by it (without actually saying so) rather than all the non-smokeless coal that was being burned at the time and the unusual weather conditions.
 
ok, have it your own way, The Times got it right.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/vw-polo-as-toxic-as-fully-laden-lorry-6zx9295g5

So did The Mail.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4284572/VW-Polo-bad-lorry-pollution.html

Don't shoot the messenger, the fact that a polo equals an hgv is already mind numbingly incredible.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/months-aft...w-polo-still-emits-much-no2-fully-laden-lorry



Trev said:
But that is the latest stupid bandwagon to jump onto and cast all kinds of miss-information about. Just like CO2 was a few years ago, costing the tax payers £zillions.
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Where things went wrong was, not in targeting CO2 because of carbon targets, but in only targeting CO2, and not including NOx as well.
 
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Mike0001 said:
So did The Mail.
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Good grief. That's a rare treat :)


Mike0001 said:
Where things went wrong was, not in targeting CO2 because of carbon targets, but in only targeting CO2, and not including NOx as well.
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Why would both be targeted in the same package? They are quite different types of problem. It's more surprising that diesel pollution wasn't attacked at the same time petrol was, with the introduction of catalysers, but it's mostly 20:20 hindsight :oops:
 
I am sure most of you will already have seen this, but for those who haven't:

 
They have the exhaust at the wrong end! Remember that in old black and white cowboy movies the good guys were always shown riding left to right across the screen and the bad guys were shown riding right to left. ;)
 
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