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I wasn't, but it's a good question!
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MikeSh
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I'm not sure that was a specific concern but it is the sort of thing implied in the last para of post #71. I think it's why I've not had much luck with upgrades as when I (try to) do it it's usually more like 5 years down the road and everything is slightly different. Within a year or two is less of an issue, unless you've picked a standard that went out just after you bought it ...
[Edit. Sorry, crossed with the man himself there.]
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What about a USB dongle as a temporary video solution? I assume any modern OS would detect and use it?
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Sure, but I don't want to have to bin it - that's the point. Choose well now and never again. Is a GTX 1050 Ti or RX 460 going to be sufficient for my foreseeable needs (non gaming) - my guess is that it will, in that it does at least provide some co-processing ability to play with should the need arise. Anybody confirm?
But if I could get one for a decent price, the RX 470 is such a step up in capability...
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Which of the many versions of usb, though? I assume standard, but Type C?
MikeSh
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Would that really be cheaper than a cheap video card? (A brief Google suggests not, but I didn't go deep.)
Time to hit the review and benchmarking websites
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More useful afterwards. Available for around a tenner, but it seems they don't play nicely with Linux.
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Very nice, but I'm not putting a 1080 on the shopping list!
I don't have a 2l car because I need a 2l car - I have one because it makes driving more enjoyable and I can't justify the outlay and running cost of something even more enjoyable (although I did hire a 4.2l V8 Aston Martin Vantage for a couple of days for the bucket-list experience... which would have nearly paid for this PC so I don't know why I'm so bothered now!!! I suppose the difference is that I was just using the car for a couple of days and then it went back, whereas the PC has to be lived with. The Vantage wouldn't be practical as ones only car, or without a suitable garage to keep it in).
That's what I thought too, but it seems there is no such thing. Integrated graphics rely on being available in the processor, and so far there are no Ryzens with that facility.
There's a difference between need and want. I don't need a six-core processor either, but I'll settle for six rather than eight (or 16!) as satisfying a want without going too silly on price (which is a personal judgement). I'll have a mid-priced video card with GPU capability because I can, and maybe the GPU will come in useful for something I haven't thought of yet, so again I'll choose what I consider the best compromise between capability and cost.
I don't have a 2l car because I need a 2l car - I have one because it makes driving more enjoyable and I can't justify the outlay and running cost of something even more enjoyable (although I did hire a 4.2l V8 Aston Martin Vantage for a couple of days for the bucket-list experience... which would have nearly paid for this PC so I don't know why I'm so bothered now!!! I suppose the difference is that I was just using the car for a couple of days and then it went back, whereas the PC has to be lived with. The Vantage wouldn't be practical as ones only car, or without a suitable garage to keep it in).
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This helps explain my "desire" to include a GPU in my PC spec: https://www.lifewire.com/graphics-cards-3d-graphics-834089
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Is that six display outputs I see before me? 
That's a good point actually: multiple monitor capability should be on my tick-list (although it would probably max out at 3).
That's a good point actually: multiple monitor capability should be on my tick-list (although it would probably max out at 3).
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The top range Mac Pro has two of those. Given the retail price of one, something does not add up. Also, why two? The Mac versions have a different number, D700.
https://architosh.com/2013/10/the-mac-pro-so-whats-a-d300-d500-and-d700-anyway-we-have-answers/
My thought that you should look at the spec. of a high end Mac and build it at a fraction of the cost, which usually works, failed miserably. I can't think the article is right, unless prices are artificially high to force people to buy a Mac. Of course, the cards will cost much less to manufacture.
https://architosh.com/2013/10/the-mac-pro-so-whats-a-d300-d500-and-d700-anyway-we-have-answers/
My thought that you should look at the spec. of a high end Mac and build it at a fraction of the cost, which usually works, failed miserably. I can't think the article is right, unless prices are artificially high to force people to buy a Mac. Of course, the cards will cost much less to manufacture.
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Colsta
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I don't see this helping much beyond the most basic video display as you'll be constrained by the USB bus speed, plus you'll neeed to check it works under Linux. I'd be inclined to pick just about any cheap PCIe Video card instead. But what about using the GPU specifically for video processing? I know Blender (for example) can utilise both CUDA & OpenCL, certainly in some tasks in which case those you short-listed are excellent options with the caveat that Linux users tend to favour Nvidia cards (google will reveal the gory details and bias).
Motherboards: X370 chipset is aimed at gamers so you can save money by ignoring those but the B350 chipset is the mainstream choice that offers certain features that are nice to have for video processing at around the £75 mark.
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They don't, it seems.
...or just go for the GTX 1050 Ti.
I had come to that conclusion also.
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So are we on this page?
http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting
I assume you read this.
https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Premiere-Benchmark.htm
http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting
I assume you read this.
https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/Premiere-Benchmark.htm
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Yes, that was a good pointer way up this thread.
It's a shame there are no AMD cards in that comparison, but it gives me a warm feeling that I will be able to make use of a GPU. A lot of what I do with video is re-size it, and I might be inclined to do more with video if the process is not so time consuming.
Colsta
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I'm unsure of the extent of the tasks you are hoping to achieve nor underestimating the "might as well" factor of a new build. But straightforward tasks like video re-sizing & transcoding can be handled more than adequately by the CPU alone (terminal, FFmpeg and your source material) especially considering the huge performance benefit Ryzen alone will give you.
Incidentally Adobe Premiere only runs on Windows/Mac (Linux has some powerful equivalent software), so the comment at the end of that article regarding matching the GPU needs to the actual package you intend to use is particularly apposite.