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Assume v. Presume

We entered in 1973 but only got to vote on it in 1975. The big pretence since is that the GPB knew it was being asked to agree to the full European Soviet project rather than an economic agreement.
 
EEPhil said:
As for the rest of your comments: pot-kettle-black! That damned bus and £350m/week for NHS.
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The money for the NHS thing mentioned that 'there COULD be £359M' etc. The Remainers said 'there WILL be catastrophic' etc.
 
Trev said:
The money for the NHS thing mentioned that 'there COULD be £359M' etc. The Remainers said 'there WILL be catastrophic' etc.
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Since we haven't even triggered Article 50, we won't be in a position to know if either statement was correct for at least two years.
 
But the arch remainers like Osborne and Carney promised gloom and doom as soon as we voted for exit, not after exit. None of which happened. In fact, it seems that what has happened is just the opposite to what they said would happen.
 
OK, you win. A fall in the pound that might have happened anyway, but go on, blame the exit vote for everything and don't admit that the doom-mongers were totally wrong. One of them has been sacked toot sweet and how the other hasn't gone beggars belief. Not to mention the Office for whatever it is that is supposed to predict the future but can't seem to ever get it right. They would have been better advised by Gypsy Lee and her crystal ball.
But there again, they didn't want any positive advice as they were right and all the others were wrong (NOT)
 
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I'm amazed that (apparently) intelligent people can have such differing views. Maybe it was right to have a referendum after all.
 
I did say let's draw a line under this.
Unfortunately, a belated second reply to an earlier post seemed to require a response.
This time I'm going to be rude. Anyone replying to a post of mine on the subject of the EU and that vote etc. will not get a response from me. :speechless:
 
Black Hole said:
I'm amazed that (apparently) intelligent people can have such differing views. Maybe it was right to have a referendum after all.
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:roflmao:

Although the drop in the £ is obviously a bit consumer unfriendly, I've not seen a single intelligent, financial opinion that hasn't said that it was overvalued anyway and that drop (~20%) was about what was needed even without Brexit.
 
One word: Vauxhall.

But it's more complicated than that. All of our economy is now so closely bound to Europe, and most of Europe is closely bound into a free tariff agreement, that any deal will be a disaster for both sides.

For instance, Vauxhall, Toyota, Honda make cars here. Parts can be sourced from just about anywhere in the EU, and cars sold anywhere too. How do you get out of that mess? Subsidise car manufacturers, so they can pass on any tariff increases to uk consumers, or reduce prices for exports, but then pass on larger dividends to shareholders and over reward senior management?

The same is true of Airbus and plenty if other real industries. But what about the finance markets, what Thatcher described as those clever people who just make money? Their industry is a house of cards, readily moved elsewhere in the EU. Why would they wish otherwise.

So what does that leave the UK? A problem with open borders in Ireland and between Scotland and England. A pile of heavily subsidised farmers. James Dyson, who happily shifted production abroad. Anything else?
 
All economies boil down to what you can dig up and sell, and what you can grow and sell. Everything else hangs on those coat tails. When you can't be a net exporter of farmed stuff, and no longer have anything to dig up, all there is left is to form alliances with those who can.
 
That is also Trump's problem, too. Americans raped that country. They have agriculture in abundance, though, which may save them. Making America great again may involve laying down millions of years of coal and oil deposits!
 
Mike0001 said:
And that was a dead end, now diesels are out of fashion again.
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First diesel was dirty. Then it was more efficient. Now diesel is bad for you again. :confused:
Nottingham City Council advertises the "fact" that Nottingham has a large electric bus fleet. There is a bus service that serves my road. It is advertised at the stop and on the NCC webshite as an electric bus service. Nice smelly diesel buses have been on this route for months.:sick: Great help in meeting WHO standards on air pollution.:mad:
 
We had torrential light rain on Sunday. At least the forecast was light rain, but the rain didn't play ball.
 
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I suppose there must be degrees of dryness just as there are degrees of wetness. It just seems to me that slightly dry sounds odd, at least when referring to weather.
(Don't try a google search for dryness - I did just to make sure I got the spelling right and ended up with many health based sites!)
 
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