Driving and Roads

Dipped beams totally fail to illuminate the edge of a country road, nor the kerb.

And I cannot recall any time I have been dazzled by front fog lights, rear fog lights or even brake light repeaters.

That's odd. The only time I have trouble avoiding the edge of the road is when some twit coming the other way is dazzling me with his fog-lights. Obviously I need to turn mine on to balance his out.
Even better, I'll get another pair to give me the advantage. And maybe get a massive SUV so if we hit each other he can die instead of me. Result!

(For the avoidance of doubt that's sarcasm :) )
 
Sigh!

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Regardless of law or RAC advice, I take my cue from what I can see of vehicles in front of me. If I can see the ones with rear fogs on but not ones with only tail lights, I use my fogs. Only a few months ago I was on the motorway in bad spray, and a coach (with tail lights but not fogs) was hidden in it!

If rear fogs can mask brake lights the vehicle is badly designed.
 
I am with BH on this one.

I can't believe the number round here who fail even to use fog lights in fog. Many are the times I have driven into the Peak District and despite hill fog, we have people with no lights on, with only side lights or only dipped beam and so invisible from behind.
 
If rear fogs can mask brake lights the vehicle is badly designed.
It's really nothing to do with vehicle design. I often come round a curve or over a hill crest on a motorway, see a number of bright red lights a half-mile away and instinctively start moving to braking mode. After a few seconds it becomes clear they are just fog lights.

Close up it's more subtle though. If you're following a car with sidelights on then when he brakes you know it - even if you aren't looking at him at the moment he does so, when you do look back the lights are obvious. Now repeat that with his fog lights on - it could now take a bit longer for you to realise that it's not just his fog lights that are on ... and by then it's too late. Which is why I turn mine off as soon as anyone is 'visual' behind me - I don't want him in my boot. (This sort of thing used to come under the heading of defensive driving, but these days people seem to just 'apply a rule' (often a mythical one) and just blame everyone else when there is an 'accident'.)
 
I still say that with my rear fogs low down in the bumper there's not much chance of that. And I've got three brake lights.
 
I see I now have some support for my use of rear fog lights in daylight bad spray conditions.:)
instinctively start moving to braking mode
Is that a bad thing?
and by then it's too late.
Then don't follow so close.
Which is why I turn mine off as soon as anyone is 'visual' behind me
Then what's the point of having them on in the first place?
I don't want him in my boot.
That's the whole point. He can see you at a safe distance, instead of being in your boot before he can see you.
 
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Is that a bad thing?
Yes. It may result in my speed dropping, which is not a good idea on a busy motorway. I don't claim to be unique, so if I react that way the chances are that some others will too.
Of course 90% of drivers seem to be unaware of brake lights at any time, reacting only to the rapidly diminishing distance between them and the vehicle in front ... but that's a different problem.

Then don't follow so close.
I don't. It's the other 30,000,000 people in charge of moving vehicles you need to worry about.

Then what's the point of having them on in the first place?
That's the whole point. He can see you at a safe distance, instead of being in your boot before he can see you.
Read or re-read the last para of post #234.
 
Why would brake lights and fog lights be the same colour? Did we run out of colours?

Red
White
Amber
Doh
 
You were going too fast then.
No. He was just going a bit faster than the coach which was either going slower than necessary or being held up by an accident caused by someone not using his rear fog in heavy spray, so couldn't be seen by someone who was driving too fast for the conditions.:roflmao:
 
LOL

Back in the days of my first car, I was stopped for having the rear fog on (forgot to turn it off)... can you imagine that happening now?
 
These days I find it hard to remember what a police traffic car looks like ...
If you watch some of the Channel 5 family of channels you'll find plenty of evidence of how they used to look (and how badly some of them drive).
 
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