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Driving and Roads

prpr

Well-Known Member
I like green ink too.
I had one of those multi-coloured biros as a kid too.
It was a bit of a nuisance to retract the colour and select a new one every time. And it was hard to write with as the body was so fat.
 

Black Hole

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I had one of those multi-coloured biros as a kid too.
It was a bit of a nuisance to retract the colour and select a new one every time. And it was hard to write with as the body was so fat.
The one I had (with about a dozen colours) didn't retract at all - you had to unscrew the top and swap refills by hand.
 

Black Hole

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I came within inches of a major smash today.

Here's the place: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/51°21'12.3"N+2°12'19.8"W

Here's a map:

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I was approaching the marked mini-roundabout from the south on the B3106, turning right. To the left were two cars approaching about 50 yards away, I checked right and there was nothing coming so I proceeded on my course around the roundabout... to find myself almost t-boning the first of the cars approaching from the left who failed to give way, apparently completely unaware there even was a roundabout!

Shook me up, I might say. Said vehicle then had to give way to oncoming traffic in a stretch with parked cars in the village, with me right behind, and then put as much distance as possible between us (pushing well past 30). I figure that if he/she (I think it was a she) thought it was my bad, he/she wouldn't have been quite so keen to get away.
 

MikeSh

Well-Known Member
There are people who think that mini-roundabouts like that are just like a normal junction with the 'main' route having the right of way. Had a guy on a car forum who hit the tail-end of a van that pulled onto the m-r as he tried to drive straight through at 30 mph - he was convinced he was in the right.

I actually think the US system of just having compulsory Stop lines and first to stop has right of way would be better for the way people drive these days.
 

Black Hole

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I think it would help if there was at least some kind of physical obstruction in the middle, instead of just a white dot. Okay, so large vehicles have to cut the corner to get round, but large vehicles have large wheels and could bump over a small kerb at the appropriate slowness.

Several times at other mini-roundabouts I've had oncoming vehicles (turning right) go completely the wrong side of the dot, and in one case indignantly complaining because I was in the way of that track (when they could have gone around the dot and then behind me).
 

Trev

The Dumb One
Going around the dot doesn't pass the 'so what ' test for me. Give way to the right and drive over the dot as long as it doesn't inconvenience others.
But the HC actually says
Mini-roundabouts. Approach these in the same way as normal roundabouts. All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so.
 

Black Hole

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Give way to the right and drive over the dot as long as it doesn't inconvenience others.
But that's the point - they're so used to cutting the corner they forget about the giving way bit. Also, drivers seem to have forgotten that a vehicle already on the roundabout (ie over its respective give-way line) trumps a vehicle still behind its give-way line, regardless of what speed it might be doing.

Regarding yesterday's incident: because the mini-roundabout is at a tee junction I think the straight-through route "thinks" it's just a normal tee junction. A lump in the road would help dispel that notion.
 

hairy_mutley

Active Member
I thought priority went to whoever was travelling fastest, even if they haven't got to the roundabout yet .

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RobH1

Well-Known Member
Regarding yesterday's incident: because the mini-roundabout is at a tee junction I think the straight-through route "thinks" it's just a normal tee junction. A lump in the road would help dispel that notion.
Isn't there a warning sign on the approach?

In Penrith, we have an offset cross road with a mini roundabout at each end and very close to each other. Makes for some interesting situations.
 

Black Hole

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I thought priority went to whoever was travelling fastest, even if they haven't got to the roundabout yet .
That seems to be a common belief. Some years ago, I was subjected to a long blast on the horn from a car that seemed to think I was in the way of his passage through across a roundabout at 50mph.
 
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Black Hole

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Isn't there a warning sign on the approach?
Yes: a roundabout warning-triangle sign, then a 30mph restriction complete with red tarmac and a white "30" painted on the road, then the give way triangle sign and blue-circle-with-arrows roundabout sign at the give-way line, the white road give-way triangle and give-way line itself. Streetview it from the link above.

However, I am increasingly aware that drivers simply don't read road signs - evidenced by the number who join motorways in a dedicated lane (as shown by huge signboards on the approach) yet immediately move over to the right into traffic despite there being no traffic in their own lane to overtake.

Coming off the M4 eastbound onto the M32, there are three lanes of slip-road approaching a traffic-light controlled "roundabout" (it isn't, exactly), and unless you want to rejoin the M4 the only way to go is right... but the left hand slip lane will then exit the M32 almost immediately (having gone right with the other two lanes). Overwhelmingly, the majority of the traffic queues for the right hand slip lane... even those intending to exit the M32 at that junction and despite all the signs and road markings! I can't believe they are all new to the junction! (I take advantage of this of course - usually using the centre slip lane or even the left one.)
 

EEPhil

Number 28
I actually think the US system of just having compulsory Stop lines and first to stop has right of way would be better for the way people drive these days.
I've never driven in Germany, but was told there is a system there where you are supposed to give way to traffic from the right at a junction unless there is a yellow diamond sign before it - when you have priority. Trouble is, every junction seemed to have yellow diamonds so it ends up just like here.
 

peterworks

Ye Olde Bowler
In Australia in the early seventies the rule was 'give way to the right' even on roundabouts. This meant that you could be hurtling down a main road and someone from a small road on the right would poodle out. The brake light show could be quite amazing ! It was also about this time they changed from MPH to KPH...
The rule was tweaked in the mid-seventies with the introduction of a rocket sign. This showed that you had right of way over traffic emerging from the right at the next junction.
They finally introduced a system like ours - major/minor roads, give way signs with the relevant road markings.
 

Black Hole

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This meant that you could be hurtling down a main road and someone from a small road on the right would poodle out.
I understand this is true (or used to be) in France. It sounds like a recipe for disaster to me, more concerned with giving the individual a break than the overall safety of the system.

The only foreign land I've spent any time in is Canada, and the only oddity about that was the meaning of flashing red or flashing amber lights (and being able to make a near-side turn against the lights)... and the general absence of roundabouts at all.
 

Black Hole

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More confusion from Germany. Some traffic lights were part time. In the evening the main road had the traffic lights turned off, but the side road had flashing amber to warn you to give way.
Canada (and I suspect USA): part-time lights (typically at a crossroads out in the sticks), when "off shift" flashing red means stop and give way, flashing amber (the higher priority road) means proceed with caution.

The bugger is that lights are suspended on wires above the centre of the intersection. Being used to lights at the stop line, and in the dark, I found myself stopped at red but in the middle of the junction!

The other bugger was making a turn in a quiet residential area (with no other traffic to follow) and finding myself on the wrong side of the road (out of habit). One day I ended up face to face with a cyclist... then realised it was him that was in the wrong side of the road!
 
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